African migrants drown themselves in the Med after sinking own boats expecting rescue

This will probably be the only post where I ever defend Dei, but you two are not from Germany and don't know what happened.

ATW and I have gone into great detail in another thread regarding Cologne, it was a massive police failure which hindered better investigations, but it is 100% true that the vast majority of the 2000 perpetrators were refugees. This is based on an incredible amount of witnesses and investigations.

It is also true that there's a cultural problem when it comes to refugees, as many of them don't respect women and modern laws. Of course, the vast majority of refugees will never commit a crime, but acting like there is no problem is the wrong way to tackle this.

You can attack Dei on a lot of sh**, but please don't talk about things like the Cologne case when you don't have any insight.

 

And back to the original topic:
The EU is currently working on establishing refugee camps in Libya exactly for cases mentioned in the OP. Refugees will be immediately taken to Libya instead of Europe, which should hamper this phenomenon.

Current issue is the state of active Libyan camps, these are known to be in conditions not suitable for human beings.

 

Only a sick MOFO like Dei would take pleasure in seeing dark people drown. What a psychopath.

 

Too bad you have a shithead mixing your important issue with racist masturbation material.

 

Curious, do you mean to say the majority were reported to be refugees, or migrants. And to you, is there a difference?

 

The guys in the Cologne case were mostly North African, according to witnesses. Are they refugees or migrants?

There is a clear difference to me and most people. Unfortunately, most refugees definitely cross the line and only come hear for economic reasons, especially the guys from North Africa, which also tend to be the worst behaviour-wise (my brother's fiancee taught German to refugees for a while and had extremely bad experiences with North African migrants).

For me as a German, it's a touchy subject, as technically every "refugee" that chooses Germany is doing it for quality of life reasons and could've stayed in other safe countries after arriving in Europe. Greece got a lot of support from other EU countries and has a ton of refugee camps, but a lot of refugees don't want to stay there and riot in order to leave for Germany. I find that behaviour absolutely disgusting and at that point feel like they have absolutely no right to complain.
You've been fleeing from war and have been given safe haven in Europe, but instead of being thankful you riot and demand to live in an even better place? Disgusting and not what the refugee practice is about.

So yes, it's a clear difference and I can't consider them real refugees, but I also understand why people would rather go to Germany, where quality of life is far better. If I were in their shoes, I'd probably do the same, except for the guys that riot like idiots and turn violent. Still want to repeat that I have no issue with migrants from war-torn countries like Syria, but North Africans coming to Germany as refugees is a sketchy subject and they're not justified to come here in my opinion.

 

LOL I had "sirbaihu" on ignore, so with this great new ignore feature I almost missed another epic meltdown of this guy.

 

I appreciate the insights of someone in Germany. That said, I think you missed my point. You claimed the reports show that the vast majority were refugees, yet the reports sated that the majority were immigrants. Immigrants that could be refugees, or other legal immigrants. My guess was that the observers that reported were seeing people that could have been recent immigrants, or could have seen people that have been in Bologne for a long time. But it is impossible to say what they were (refuges, legal immigrants, recent immigrants, long settled immigrants).

Which is why I also asked if you thought refugees and immigrants were the same thing. Which I believe you did answer "no" to. And while I don't have knowledge of refugees from Syria versus North Africa, I can't say one group acts more responsibly that another. But its situations where people here in the United States started discussing the "sketchiness" of one group on refugees versus another, based on the nation they came from, concerns arise...

 

I understood your point, maybe I should've been more clear:
Refugee: Coming strictly for safety.
Migrant: Coming for reasons not related to safety, mainly quality of life.

As I've said, technically no one in Germany is a real refugee, as they all could've stayed in Greece etc.
Why did I call the perpetrators refugees? Because the system is a total mess in Germany and too many people are granted the status without valid reasons. So in current Germany, there's little difference.

How do we know whether these guys have been recent migrants or long-term settled? The influx of North African migrants has been growing exponentially and it's extremely unlikely that a major number of perpetrators have been staying in Germany for a long time. This is backed by police investigations, 70% of the identified suspects have been staying in Germany for less than a year.

Regarding "sketchiness" and comparing nationalities: This is also backed by police data, the crime per nation ratio is significantly higher for migrants from Algeria and Marocco. Unrelated to crime, police also reports that North African migrants are by far the worst in terms of aggressive behaviour towards police.

 

Again, thanks for sharing insights from Germany. Always helpful to learn from people from other countries.

 

whats up with pple living under a rock in times like this? refugees have done a ton of damage to european countries. just cuz its an ugly situation doesnt mean you get your feelings and morals mixed into it and do something stupid.

 

Why is it a automatic given that these 15 migrants are going to cause violence. I agree that the hotel owner ought to have the right to decline but I'm still perplexed by how they automatically assume that they are going to have to cover for the damages and violence that this specific group of people are going to apparently commit with certainty.

Maybe I don't know the context of these 15 migrants? Do these specific 15 have a history of violence?

Anyways for some reason, I doubt you are posting the full story. I doubt the Italian government will force him to go out of business just to house 15 migrants. Im sure there is more to the story than the sources you cling to to cage you in your bubble. Applying Occam's razor, it just seems to good to be true wet dream narrative of a white supremacist to have. He had an initial agreement. I want more details.

 

A friend of mine was using a house as an office (in Munich). The authorities kicked him out and put migrants in the house.

 

That's what you call "sticking the landing" in mental gymnastics.

 

Sure... not taking the word of a dedicated white nationalist youtube channel page:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwJo0lXjjk482VdpsGP37yQ as truth is mental gymnastics. I'm willing to be 'owned' by alternative neutral sources that are not solely dedicated to propagating a negative image of minority immigration.

Elaborate on why I should trust this narrative from this source. I really want to know why.

 

To clarify, he didn't own the place. It was designated as residential, he rented it from another friend and used it as an office. The authorities found out and then put migrants in the place.

 

Lol, no wonder Dei is so paranoid about everything.