It's not really a bet that can be made, if they valued Jimmy G as a likely franchise QB caliber player then their actions would be one thing, if they don't it'll be another. Sticking with Brady till the wheels fall off is exactly what you have to do if you don't have anyone worth a damn behind him.....and that's their situation. Like I said earlier, I'm fine with some people thinking that Tom Brady is literally the only human impervious to the effects of time......but I'll stick with what history says rather than engage in that kind of mystical thinking.
Like I've said before, you've got to factor in that Belichick is running the show and he might not be planning on sticking around post-Brady - thus the win sooner rather than later approach. Or... maybe not.
As much as I get that scouting an NFL quarterback (or college QB entering the draft) is EXTREMELY hard, it still amazes me that we can be so unclear as to what these players are. Like with Brock... I'm fine with the contract. I'm fine with the quick signing, B'Ob's not being as involved as you'd want, the total guaranteed money, the high risk move, etc. But what seems like it should be fireable offense to me is in the pure scouting. The pure here is this guys strengths, here is his weaknesses, etc. Cause you only make that bold move on Brock if you don't see a lot of weaknesses and think those can be improved upon with experience. Instead, he has a ton of weaknesses. So with Garrapolo, it just seems like there should be more of a consensus. Unfortunately there's not. And given there's not, my inclination - as a fan who in no way considers himself a QB guru/scout type fan - is to pass. He seems very unlikely to be a great QB, which is what they should be targeting. He might be an above average QB and much better than the Texans have had recently, but does that REALLY get them past the second round of the playoffs?? Only if absolutely EVERYTHING falls there way. Probably makes for a more exciting season, with even more hope in that 2nd round game, but the end result seems likely to be the same. Now, of course, he might have that GREAT QB potential in him. I don't know. You just think someone out there would.
Father Bill, may I have your backup QB Brian Hoyer? Father Bill, may I have your backup QB Ryan Mallett? Father Bill, may I have you backup QB Jimmy Garoppolo? Father Bill, may I have your backup QB Jacoby Brissett? Father Bill, may I have the backup QB you draft in the next 1-3 years? Father Bill, may I?
didnt read first post because text too long but i'm not sold on jimmy g. if they liked him like that, they should have just drafted. now we have we waste more picks to get him? nah. i don't believe in any patriots QB not named Brady. All system QBs
Their approach has always been to win now AND win later, which is why they've used players up and discarded them when they were no longer of use, even if those players were special at one point. They know that other really thirsty teams will pay out the ass for their scraps and they take advantage of it time and time again.
You have a terrible propensity to suffer from black&White/2-dimensional thinking that you get so pigeon-holed in an opinion... and then when you're eventually proven wrong, its hard for you to fathom the turn of events that took place. In this case, its very plausible that they do value Jimmy G, hence why they haven't fallen for any offers over the last 2 years... and maybe prior to last year, they were leery of Brady hitting a wall. But then deflate-gate happened, and that merely spurred Brady and the pats to go in to full FU mode... and he has one of the best statistical seasons he ever has, despite no Gronk, limited options at WR, and a carousel of RB's. Now, they still have a prime/MVP Brady with absoultely no physical restrictions, they get Gronk back, they have all their draft picks... and have a chance to get more with trades, and thanks to Brady's contract... tons of cap space to get better. Pats fans everywhere are laughing at the premise of them ditching Brady for Garopolo. Its just not a concern that registers anywhere close on the horizon for them right now. Why not make a bet that Tom Brady will fall apart next year then... how could you be wrong?
Look, I get that you are hoping against hope that "the savior" is out there and that it is as simple as picking up more of the Patriots' trash....only this time with amazingly positive results! That said, I just can't do it this time around. Last time when everyone was trying to sell me on Ryan Mallett and I was VERY against it, I eventually caved due to some really good arguments (that were totally wrong) by some really good writers who talked him up as an amazing franchise QB waiting to happen. Now it's just a few years later and some of the same people who tried to sell everyone on Mallett are trying to sell people on Jimmy G and I'm just not buying it even if Brett Kollmann writes up an amazing puff piece like he did for Mallett. I get that you are so desperate to believe that a savior is easily available that you will convince yourself that Brady will be the first QB ever to be immune entirely to the effects of aging if it will help further the narrative that the Pats are willing to trade you the savior for picks.....but you can't really expect most people to buy that. You'll convince some in the QB desperation crowd, but you can sell those people on damn near anything so long as it is different. They'll be true believers in anyone so they don't really count. Also, I'm sure when Peyton Manning was breaking the all time passing yards record, Broncos fans everywhere laughed at the idea that they'd be completely without a league average QB after only one more season.....how'd that work out?
I agree. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Mcnair does. In this article : http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...exans-owner-we-need-much-better-from-osweiler he mentions the team is going to look for a QB in the draft. My guess is, that means using the first or second round pick, and if they do use a first or second, they almost certainly won't use any more picks to trade for a backup. From the tone of the article, it seems like Mcnair is counting on savage to improve, which I think is ridiculous. So, if we don't hit a home run in either the first or second round on a QB, next year is lost. Excellent write up though.
These were also guys that O'brien was familiar with, so the insinuation that BOB went after these players because he looks to Billicheck (sp?) as a father figure is unwarranted. He was a coach there. Wouldn't that be the first place you looked if you were forced to take fliers on guys?
Every draft, pick a quarterback in the 2, 3, or 4 round and try to hit a Dak, Russell, Carr, Bridgewater, etc A first round pick only if you get a top pick and there is a can't miss guy. Remember that time that the Texans picked Travis Johnson over Aaron Rogers? I guess easier said than done *shaking head* At least Xavier Su A Too Much Filo Dough is starting to play well.
Hardly desperate... I just have the ability to go beyond 2 dimensional thinking. First of all, Mallett was taken on as a flyer... he cost nothing... there was zero game film on him, and all he had to go on was his pre-draft workouts... where his kunckle-head-case problems were concerning (and low and behold, that's what ended up getting him). If your reasoning to not go after any other Patriots backup is simply because of him... its quite asinine, senile, and borderline idiotic (as was Mallet). Equally as asinine is your premise that Peyton Manning was anything close to being what he was in his prime in 2013... he was noodle-armed, and yet still had the smarts to get the ball where it needed to go. You yourself chastised his true abilities while he was breaking records. Now, he's the reasoning behind why Tom Brady will magically break down next year? Again, why won't you bet on it? Continue to ignore the fact that Brady is still playing at an MVP level, and that he remains in the best physical shape of his career, or that he has the competitive fire/tenacity/killer instinct of a Michael Jordan+Larry Bird+Reggie White all rolled into one.... The fact remains that Brady will be their starter (barring catsastrophic injury) for at least 2 years... and if he has his way/health, beyond that. The next time he shows a sign of regression, will be the first... and most historically great NFL QB's play a good 2-3 years AFTER they show signs of regression (from Montana to Kelly to Moon to Marino to Manning.... to eventually Brees and Brady).
In the end, the Texans are going to have to outbid somebody for him... I doubt they get into that sort of bidding war.
I'd rather go in the draft. Garoppolo is only signed one more year, then he might require a huge contract to stay. Just too much risk for an unproven guy. They keep overpaying for guys it means we can't keep guys like Bouye and we'll rely even more on crappy FAs. Of course if we had guys in the coaching staff or FO who could properly evaluate QB's, then maybe we'd know if he was worth the risk.
I KNEW IT!!!!! In all seriousness though, for all we know, Brady could be done as early as next season and I'm pretty sure the Pats are aware of that. He looked amazing this season, but NFL stands for Not For Long no matter who you are. Either way, I hope the QB desperation crowd is right and that Jimmy G is the next great QB and the Texans go out and get him....I just highly, highly doubt that either part is true or will happen.
So, you're saying Brady is done next year? Take a stand. I bet they will trade Garopolo to the highest bidder (SF or Cleveland), and he won't pull a Brock... while Brady will be the odds on favorite to win the MVP next year. He also happens to be on a tremendous contract right now.... he's literally a better bargain than a FA or franchised Jimmy Garopolo.
I'm saying that it's not something that can be known, which is why if you thought that you had a backup who was a likely to be franchise QB quality, you wouldn't be letting him go. It's funny how you accuse me of binary thinking, but you seem to be a MUCH bigger fan of that than me. I don't know that Brady will be done next year, but it's certainly a possibility but I do know there is almost no chance of him having 3 or more seasons left in the tank at an acceptable level based on his age alone meaning that it's time to prepare for the future.......and the Patriots way is to risk getting rid of a player a year too soon and sucker someone into giving up things for them than it is to hold on to a player 5 seconds too long. Put those things together and it suggests that it is HIGHLY unlikely that they'd be shopping Jimmy G if they thought much of him.
