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Interesting stat: Losing without full roster ready

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jayfree, Jan 31, 2017.

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  1. jayfree

    jayfree Member

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    Of the 16 loses we have on the season to date only 3 of them were with our full roster ready to play.

    All of the other 13 loses we were either missing Beverley, Capela, Anderson, Gordon or Nene.

    And 3 of our last 4 loses came by when Nene was resting.
     
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  2. Dr of Dunk

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    On the one hand, "that's awesome... yay!"
    On the other hand, "we sure seem to be broken down... aww!"

    Are most of our injuries recently? Because all of a sudden, teams that shouldn't run with us seem to be doing so and then some. What if they're just defending us better? I need answers.
     
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  3. Spacemoth

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    How many wins have we had with limited personnel? If most of our games this season have limited personnel then maybe limited personnel is more indicative of who we are this year.
     
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  4. Jontro

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    so basically we can't depend on our players' health and that we're doomed in the playoffs
     
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  5. rocketsballin

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    so the only way to beat the rocekts, is to sign a wwe guy for vet min and have him bodyslam one of our guys? not bad for a team that wasnt supposed to make the playoffs over the likes of the wolves and pelicans and dare i say the mavs? hohoho hehehe
     
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  6. Rocket River

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    THE MVP of golden state . . . .has been health.
    Their championship season . . . they were the least injured team

    Rocket River
     
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  7. don grahamleone

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    Austin Keeps it Weird. Houston Rockets Keep it Boring.

    Texas is the home of boring wins. Bore us all the way to the finals if you have to. We don't mind, we'll still watch from TVs and not in the stadium. Stadiums are for corporate out of town guests only.
     
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  8. jayfree

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    I agree with the sentiment here. Teams like GS and SA can lose a player and still win big games, but we need to be almost at full strength every came to pull out a close victory. If Gordon or Anderson are out that is probably 4 less 3s we make that game and we lose by 5 points.

    Come playoff time we should have our team playing at full strength every game, but what if an injury happens. That is the type of player we need to look at adding come the trade deadline.
     
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  9. jayfree

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    Complete Breakdown counting today's win against Sac.

    Full roster= 12-3 (.800%)
    W/O Full Roster= 24-13 (.649%)

    W/O Capela= 11-4 (.733%)
    W/O Beverley= 9-5 (.643%)
    W/O Nene= 5-3 (.625%)
    W/O Anderson= 2-1 (.667%)
    W/O Gordon= 2-2 (.500%)

    If you want to further break it down into two players missing we are 5-2 (.714%)
    W/O Nene and Beverly 1-0 (1.000%)
    W/O Gordon and Capela 1-1 (.500%)
    W/O Beverley and Capela 3-0 (1.000%)
    W/O Nene and Gordon 0-1 (.000%)

    Going by this. We are still a good team regardless if we are missing a player or two (but not elite). We have had only 15 games out of 52 with our full roster of players (normal starting 5 plus Nene and Gordon) and of course we have our best overall winning % due to this. Even with Capela out we still won games.

    Now to look at the games when they did play:
    Beverley= 27-11 (.710%)
    Gordon= 34-14 (.708%)
    Nene= 31-13 (.705%)
    Anderson= 34-15 (.694%)
    Capela= 25-12 (.676)

    Interesting enough we have a worse record with Capela playing then any other player. Not sure why that is but it is still in the top teams in the league status.

    Looking at this and the small sample size of some of the players out I can see that Gordon is our make it or break it bench player. When he is out then we have a hard time making up his scoring when Harden sits. It appears that we can get by without Capela but when Nene is out we have a harder time pulling out a victory. The important thing though is we need to do whatever we can to stay healthy for the playoffs. Even if that means resting players like Nene, Gordon and Anderson more often throughout the season and getting an "L' here and there. I'd rather us having 54 wins and a 4th seed with a full healthy roster ready to compete than 60 wins and the 2nd seed and anyone of those players are hobbling facing the playoffs.

    This is why I feel that we are not a superstar away this year but a role playing scoring bench player away from being consistent.
     
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    Yeah, we could have won a championship if Yao and TMac were both healthy in 2009.
     
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    so yer sayin if Capela is injured we're fine (.733)....but if someone else is injured we fall back (.500-.643)... unless we get a second player gets injured - then we're fine again (.714)....


    ....yeh... i analyticked the hell outta that... morey should hire me... yeh....


    lol
     
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    As stated I have no clue as to why our record is good when Capela was out other than Harrell and Dekker stepped up and Nene played every game. I strongly feel that Nene's physical presence helps us out in games more often than not. In the playoffs Nene will be playing every game (baring injury) so I am not worried about our front court offense. Although a guy that can come in and rebound the ball when we need it would help.

    I feel our weakness is our bench when we have an injury. We don't necessarily need a Carmelo on this team, but a guy like Gordon that can come in and shoot lights out when others aren't hitting or when Anderson or Gordon are out. Korver would have been nice, but only a Korver from 2+ years ago. We get THAT kind of guy and we will be winning over .750% of our games the rest of the year and be more potent during the playoffs as we can give Gordon and Anderson days off during the regular season.
     
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    yep
     
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    Go back and read my posts on Capela if you don't understand why we are as good or better without him. Then go take a gander at team defense statistics, including Opp PITP and Opp. Shooting percentage at the rim.
     
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    I personally felt like our best record would have been with both Ego and Mr 94 feet on the court so I looked it up:

    25-10 for 0.714 win percentage.

    The truth is we're just good for the most part. Without Capela would be the only better mark that you mentioned, but I feel like we were just hot when he was gone. I've never thought for a second that we were better without him during that time, but we did fill in nicely. So does our bench though. We're pretty deep. We're at our absolute best when all the tools are at MDA's disposal and that's clear by your research.

    Fantastic post. Best I've seen recently during our slump. Clutchfans rulz.
     
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    my sentiments exactly if i recall well as soon as clint got back gordon cooled off or gordon and anderson started being injured mising games or playing hurt
     
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    Compared to our competition, we have had the best luck with health.
    I agree that our team is built where we can't afford to lose a player as much as some other teams, but that's obviously not a good thing.

    Spurs have had various injuries. Utah were missing Hill and Hayward at one point or another. OKC lost Steven Adams for a while as well as Oladipo. Memphis is crazy with how well they hold up with injuries. Clippers have had the worst luck.
     
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  18. The_Yoyo

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    The issue lately has been the injuries have come mainly all at once during the most treacherous part of our schedule. I remember seeing on Twitter recently prior to the Kings game the Rockets schedule thus far compared to the other teams

    Rockets 51 games, 29 on road with 12 b2b
    Thunder 48 games, 26 road, 5 b2b
    Warriors 48 games, 24 road, 7 b2b
    Clippers 48 games, 24 road 5 b2b
    Spurs 47 games, 25 road 9 b2b
    Cavs, 46 games, 20 road 5 b2b

    So the rockets have played at least 3 more games than everyone else incuding 3 more on the road and 12 back to back sets already which is crazy. They have another odd back 2 back home set coming (I mean seriously how does this happen?) up as well. The good news is that their remainder schedule should be easier with more home games which probably should help the players recover. I believe the injuries that Anderson and Gordon had this past month are ones that probably would have them missing fewer games, maybe even zero, if they havent had such a tough schedule thus far.

    The good news is that the Rockets have had to rely on others to step up and now when healthy their bench while not filled with flashy names is pretty formidable now something that hasnt really been the case since IMO the '09 Rockets with Lowry, Landry, Wafer, Hayes and Deke.

    With the recent slide (and honestly I think at least 2 of those games were more as a result to a loss due to the schedule ie fatigue) the Rockets have lost their solid grip on the 3rd spot. They still have a ways to go from losing it but hopefully they can increase the gap again between themselves and the Clippers/Thunder by the end of Feb
     
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    Bev was out at the beg of the season, Capela for a month and Gordon a few games. We haven't had the same level as the Clippers thats for sure (and maybe the Spurs though I dont think from at least what I've seen so far Gasol hasn't been a huge impact when he did play) I think Utah though have had more but if we're going to talk about who has had the best luck with injuries - it has to be Golden State who have been pretty much injury free all year
     
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    please don't give false information, only the rockets number you give is correct, i counted by myself, the back of back number is
    Rockets 51 games, 29 on road with 12 b2b
    Thunder 48 games, 26 road, 9 b2b
    Warriors 48 games, 24 road, 9 b2b
    Clippers 48 games, 24 road 9 b2b
    Spurs 47 games, 25 road 9 b2b
    Cavs, 46 games, 20 road 9 b2b
     
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