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Separate abortion from planned parnethood?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Bogey, Jan 29, 2017.

  1. dmoneybangbang

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    LOL. PP are liars but "seriously, I'm pro choice".
     
  2. Dairy Ashford

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    It was ruled constitutional by the courts, the same way segregation was ruled unconstitutional.
     
  3. Dairy Ashford

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    Nor did any of the constitution.
     
  4. StupidMoniker

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    Abortion was illegal after quickening (when the mother felt the child move) at the time of the founding, carried over from English common law. In some states all abortions were outlawed for a period extending from the 1820s to the decision in Roe v. Wade. During this period, there was apparently no constitutional protection of abortion rights. Suddenly, in the 1970s, the Supreme Court manages to find a generalized right to privacy lurking within the penumbra of multiple amendments in the Bill of Rights (none of the other justices had noticed, even though the Bill of Rights had been around nearly 200 years). That privacy right was determined to allow abortion under the 14th Amendment (despite the fact that when the 14th Amendment was ratified, there were a good number of abortion bans on the books that the drafters apparently took no issue with). That is what is meant by a Constitutional protection of abortion. In other words, one of the most left leaning incarnations of the Supreme Court made it up.
     
  5. ipaman

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    you pc liberal fools are so self righteous, think you're better than everybody else. I know what I believe and what I believe in, I don't need no self righteous, morally superior wannabes to approve what I say.
     
  6. Space Ghost

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    I would be more supportive of PP if they renamed themselves to Preventative Parenthood. The left loves their oxymoron names like Affordable Healthcare Act.
     
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  7. FranchiseBlade

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    Perhaps. Certainly with their provision of birth control they have prevented more abortions than the Pro-life advocates ever have.
     
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  8. Space Ghost

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    Aaaaaand we are back to square one. Instead of separating off abortions from preventive pregnancies, the left insists on keeping the two together. Regardless of your belief, its really sad the left refuses to compromise to ensure funding for preventative pregnancies, education and womens health.
     
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  9. FranchiseBlade

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    Except the two aren't together. Federal funding doesn't help to pay for abortions.
     
  10. Bogey

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    Who pays for abortions? Serious question.
     
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  11. JuanValdez

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    Planned Parenthood won't separate abortions from their other services because providing abortions is central to their mission, and the payments they receive from their other services helps to sustain them to continue to provide abortions. Without Planned Parenthood, other organizations would fill the void and provide all the wellness stuff they do, but the provision of safe abortion services would really be imperiled. @FranchiseBlade is making a rhetorical error, imo, in trying to minimize the importance of abortion services to the Planned Parenthood business model because it won't convince anybody to switch sides on this argument. Volume doesn't matter, providing access to abortion is their raison d'etre. If we're going to have a right to an abortion, somebody has to provide it.

    This is my argument to not separate the services. PP exists to make sure women have access to abortion services when those women decide that's the appropriate course of action. The right to have an abortion has already been settled by the courts. Federal money doesn't pay for abortions. The only federal money going to PP is via Medicaid for legitimate wellness services they perform, for which no other provider is being challenged on payment. To single out and exempt PP from Medicaid payments because of their unrelated abortion services would be a capricious and prejudiced use of power, something else that's been long settled by courts as inappropriate and illegal. And it would be a blatantly obvious attempt to undermine people's right to have an abortion by other means, something else the courts have struck down in its various forms over the years since Roe v Wade. You can hate what PP does (as I do, because I'm not really pro-choice), but you can suck it because the remedies being suggested are illegal and unjust.
     
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  12. cml750

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    No major argument but just because the SCOTUS decided to legislate from the bench in Roe V. Wade does not mean there is a Constitutional right for abortion other than in the minds of liberals and an activist court. In fact, according to the Constitution, the federal government should not be involved in something like this at all. Remember the 10th amendment.

    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    Actually I'm not trying to minimize it, just pointing out that nobody's tax dollars are paying for it.
     
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    Abortion was legalized by an activist SCOTUS who legislated from the bench in Roe v. Wade.
     
  15. FranchiseBlade

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    It is the law of the land. I understand you and many others are unhappy about it.
     
  16. Commodore

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    part of the unhappiness is that the people were not allowed to decide the issue democratically, with each state having their own abortion laws

    instead, a few judges discovered a nonexistent constitutional right to murder an unborn child (even seconds before birth)
     
  17. FranchiseBlade

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    But states do have their own abortion laws including limiting abortions seconds before birth.
     
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    Seems you are more unhappy with the Supreme Court being the final arbiter on what is constitutional or not.
     
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    FB, you say you are a Christian and I believe you but for the life of me, I cannot figure out why you would support murdering babies.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    I don't support murdering babies.
     

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