This trade is horrible on many levels. 1) We would be losing a 20 ppg player, and not getting 20 ppg in return. Who would start at the shooting guard position? Probably Piatkowski who has NEVER even averaged 11 ppg. If you trade away 25% of the offense, you need to get someone who can alter the course of a game somehow and is EXTREMELY skilled in at least one area. I personally think that it should be in the offensive category, but a league leading shot blocker or assist man might be of equal value for the Rockets needs. 2) You are losing Griffin for nothing in return when you could just cut him from the team if absolutely necessary. 3) You are screwing the most tenured Rocket player in Mobley, who sacrificed a lot of money to stay a Rocket. He has played hard and the Rockets owe him their loyalty and respect. Personally, I value keeping the players that we draft for several reasons, including stability of the franchise, the process of team building, and fan support. Basically we would be trading a high scorer and a lot of potential for assured mediocrity. Those guys are average players on an average team and I don't have any interest being average.
It's not like only Rocket fans are the ones thinking this is a lopsided trade. Check the Celtic message boards. They're fans are practically giddy about this rumor. They're claiming this trade will boost them to title contention.
thank you,,, some just and good reasoning, after reading all that anal crap on the Celts board... we could get battie and will for a freaking draft pick and griff, no need to throw in mobes
I have not seen Battie play can anyone give an unbiased report on what type of player he is. I remember reading a quote by VG talking about how we need a PF that could defensively handle the smaller more athletic PF's that could create of the dribble and play away form the basket. Does Battie have these abilities?
This is a terrible, terrible, terrible trade. I follow the Celtics as my 2nd team. Battie is a decent player. He tries hard. He knows how to play his position. But he has little talent, and Williams has even less. I wouldn't part with just Cuttino for them, and everyone here knows what I think of Mobley. Throwing away Griffin and Nachbar as well is ridiculous. Even if you believe Griffin has zero trade value, surely Mobley and nachbar are worth more than this. I've supported JVG so far... but if this is true, forget it. I don't give a flying **** how hard Battie and Williams play. If that's what a JVG team is - all work ethic with limited talent - I want no part of it.
Maybe we want Battie to be able to trade Cato while his value is at an all-time high. Would Dallas do Finley for Cato? Basically, it would be: Houston trades Mobley, Griffin, Nachbar, Cato Houston gets Finley, Battie, Williams, draft picks.
I know JVG is a hard ass and he doesnt care too much what people think of him, but he hasnt won any popularity contests so far in Houston, with bringing in all NY people to work w/ him, bringing in Ewing instead of Elie, etc etc. Now if he trades the only Rocket to ever have made the playoffs on the current roster, who took less money, and has shown is willing to settle into any role, for some bs players that 'surround yao and steve' in his mind, in the best way possible, and after reaching this conclustion in only 3 months here, and only 3 weeks of practice, that would be inconsiderate, ignorant, stupid.....so on. But i know JVG is smarter than that so i'm not worried.
1. Correct on both counts. And Remix: I think you misunderstood him. He was saying such a combination could get Pierce only if it included Yao or Steve. 2. I don't support the trade as described, but I'd be careful trying to say Gater knows nothing about basketball if I were you. 3. He's ALWAYS looked mighty fine to me. Any combination of Rocket players and 2nd round picks which doesn't include Yao or Steve? Done IMO. Now how do we get Atlanta to lose their sanity long enough to make this deal? 4. Cat is overrated by (most) Houston fans. Interestingly enough there are people on this board who consider each of these three to be virtually worthless, but based on reaction here, not many who feel that way about all three. I like Cat and would love to have him stay -- if he will and focus on playing good D and working within an offense which has him as 3rd option behind Steve/Yao. There would be plenty of room in the offense for him to score 15-18 ppg. But no more dribble dribble dribble for 10-15 seconds at a time. Still, Cat for those two, who are good role players, not scrubs, would be reasonable. We could probably get a better single player than either one for Cat, but I'm not sure we could get a better PAIR of players. However, including Griffin and Nachbar is too much. Neither is highly valuable (at least not right now), but Nachbar is showing signs of being a potential rotation-caliber player. 5. This is why I am opposed to trading Griffin now. His trade value right now is NEGATIVE -- and trading a guy who cost us 3 1st round picks (even bottom-half 1st rounders) while he has NEGATIVE value is crazy. His value is so low right now that it would go up even if he stays suspended the rest of the season. There really doesn't have to be a hurry to trade him. 6. On the whole, then, even though I don't think it's nearly as lopsided as people on this board are making it sound, I'm opposed to it for two reasons. First, we don't need to be making deals which make us OLDER unless it makes us significantly better. And while I don't think this makes us significantly worse, I certainly don't think it makes us significantly better. I'd rather take my chances with Cat's eventually buying in as he sees our record improve and with Nachbar's development. They're young (at least in comparison to Battie and EW) and have upside. Second, I don't want to get OLDER with players who have the words "knee problems" associated with them. I think this team, without a trade -- and without Eddie -- has playoff potential and even potential to surprise someone in the playoffs. But what's REALLY important are next year and the year after. And I don't see EW or Battie as contributing to that. We may or may not be able to get "more" overall for this trade. Especially if we are determined to trade EG "right now". But we should at least be able to get some kind of return which has GROWTH potential. 7. This team has shown significant improvement over last year, just as a result of the training camp and preseason. There's no reason to think that improvement can't continue. I think it is wrong to go into panic mode in terms of making a trade.
Like many others, I think the rumored trade blows. Too much for too little. Unless there is a third team involved or we get Pierce...no thanks. I still think Artest would make a great fit. Is he injured right now? It looks like he is sitting out tonight.
Ch 13 already reported that CD said that not only is the rumor false, but that no deal was ever discussed with the C's.
This is almost as good news as peace in the middle east would be.... THNK GOD!!!!!!!!!!! stupid F*(*ING Rumors
can this thread please just die, I keep reading the posts to see if anything new has happened and all I keep reading is a bunch of regergatation of how much this trade sucks. Griffen has shown flashes and nothing else, same with Boki and Cat has shown that when he is the man he can average 20+ points but how many years in a row have we made the playoffs? Yeah could probably get a better deal but either way these players aren't going to get us a championship, neither the ones we have or the ones we might trade for.
I agree with you about Mobley, but I absolutely and completely disagree with the anti-Yankee attitude. JVG should be able to coach with whomever he believes is the best. Most coaches bring in their own staff for a lot of reasons. Some even go so far as to bring in a player from their older teams to help the other players on the court. I hear this attitude over and over again when it comes to college football. Everyone in the south wants to have a good-ole-boy head coach who kisses their *ss and tells long stories. Well.... we don't have to worry about recruiting Texas HS players in the NBA.
