Obama Proves He's a Closet Muslim -- Screws Israel with Abstention

This is such nonsense it's hard to believe any rational person actually buys into this junk.

Obama has been asking Israel for 8 years to stop the settlements. There has been no peace process. Israel has no interest in listening to anyone. It is actually going to turn itself into a Jewish-minority nation as at some point it will have annexed the occupied territories and all it's occupants.

Netanyahu spits in Obama's face and thinks he is more powerful, and can just go around the president. The entire world see the fallacy of what Israel is doing - China, Russia, Europe, Africa, asia and yet somehow Obama is in the wrong for finally doing what no President has had the guts to do - stand up for what is right.

 

So you have no proof, just as your previous post is pure speculation. You need to broaden your sources for news and information, thumbs. Seriously. You are being taken for a ride and I hate to see it, my friend.

 

He (@thumbs) has also refused to address anti-settlement actions/positions taken by "closet Muslims" George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan. I'm not even saying this as somebody who cares about the issue either way; it's the clear double-standard when it comes to the president with the spooky name.

The level of sustained delusion required to believe that President Obama is nefariously angling to become Secretary General of the UN is really remarkable. He has a 56% approval rating but, to hear thumbs tell it, we're still a moment's notice away from him instituting martial law and establishing the one-world government. It's like nothing the man has done in 8 years has convinced people that he isn't about to force them to pray towards Mecca and watch Beyonce's halftime show on loop with their eyes held open by a Clockwork Orange-style machine.

 

Yawn. Obama is the least of the issues affecting Jews and Arabs.

 

Obama literally had zero effect on what's going on in the middle East.
Some might think it's a good thing for the US, getting away from a sick bed, and I can definitely understand that rational.
But the truth is that the US became almost irrelevant in the international foreign affairs during Obama's time as president.
This vacuum was filled by Russia and Turkey and in a lot of prespectives really weakened the US interests in the international game.
It is no longer a unilateral superpower as it was since the Soviet Union collapsed.
Russia has taken back a lot of ground, and they are moving fast and fierce.
I think Obama had great intentions, but his weak and indecisive foreign policy damaged the US interest in the long run.

 

Six pages and an @ mention!

@thumbs: were George HW Bush and Ronald Reagan also "closet Muslims" for objecting to an increase of Israeli settlements?

Don't worry, I won't ask again. I'll just chalk it up to years of behavior from you and assume this has more to do with the president's funny name than any demonstrable Islamic principles he's adhered to for the last eight years.

 

We've different selective memories for sure .I remember Arfat dying slowly while he was besieged after he signed a peace accord, Abbas lost every dignity he had while attempting to achieve a thing . meanwhile,Hamas only option is to join the Iranian death cult if they wish to survive . I appreciate your efforts to keep this discussion constructive though, you seem to be an enlightened person ,too bad you're representative of a very small minority

 

My Jewish friends think that Netanyahu is the worst thing to happen to the "peace process" in many, many years. He's glib. He talks a good game, particularly to Americans, having gone to high school in Pennsylvania. He speaks excellent English with an American accent and is a good looking gentleman. Yes, he is a superb practitioner of the political art, if I can be forgiven for calling it that.

What he is not is someone who has the slightest interest in the efforts of several American presidents of both major political parties over the last couple of generations to reach a political settlement between Israel and the Palestinians, regardless of which Palestinians we're talking about.

Oh, he might make an offer similar to what the Hapsburg Empire (Austria-Hungary) offered Serbia just before they invaded Serbia and started World War I. A deal impossible to accept. A deal that assures an eventual war. In my opinion, of course, but my friends are pretty adamant about their opinion, and the brother of one lives in Israel, as do other relatives, so they don't depend on NBC, CNN or Fox News for their information. I happen to agree with them.

 

A. Iran deal - do you understand what was even going on and what resulted? You do realize that sanctions were going to end - Russia was done with it and so was China. And yet we got Iran to abandon its nuke program! And you think they are fierce negotiators? I find it so humorous when people like you say we got screwed and Trump says he will cancel the deal. Of course, if he cancels the deal all it would mean is that the U.S. would have sanctions on Iran but not the rest of the world AND Iran would be able to restart its nuke program. How do you defend that?

B. Jews are not building settlements as a negotiating ploy. You don't move 400,000 people into another country as a negotiating ploy - you do it to colonize. Are you that naive?

C. Israel had 8 years of warnings and efforts from Obama to restart the peace process. Israel has not kept to the spirit of the Oslo accords. Israel has only itself to blame for this resolution. It was a last resort to put pressure on Israel - which has been the main slowdown in the peace process

 

Well, for anyone who missed him and kind of forgot over the past few years...

I'm sure he's a great guy, great father, etc... but

thumbs is a total teapartying mouthbreathing dumbass, and too silly to be taken seriously.

 

Your "IMO" is important, because your opinion is simply ignorant. Most of the settlements are illegal under *Israeli* law and have been for decades. For the most part, the settlers are extremists who do not want the peace process to continue or for this territory to be anything but Israeli. They only get away with it because of complex Israeli politics. The extremists are currently trying to convince Netanyahu to push legislation that would make the settlements legal, which is why the US is more aggressively pressing forward now to discourage that from happening. If it is legalized, that is the end of any potential peace deal of any sort down the line. The reality is exactly the opposite of the made up world you have created inside your head.

You should really learn about issues before screaming "OBAMA IS A SECRET MUSLIM!!" every time something happens that you don't understand. The world is infinitely more complex than your brain seems to appreciate.

 

Does the US have to jump in at every beck and call? Hawks would undoubtedly agree and rush to foment every possible coup or overthrow they can imagine, but I don't see much of an endgame for Putin except to poke holes at the Western alliance and break the embargo that's bankrupting his country and robbing any solid economic growth in the near future.

I guess Americans do it so the Euros won't revert back to bloody imperialist savages raining hell on their neighbors, but this is their problem too and arguably much more pressing for them.

Oh well, Trump campaigned as a tight fisted foreign policy jackass who delighted American isolationists. I doubt he'll fit that bill because his tweeting is all about self aggrandizement through talking loudly and using his finger sized stick.

It only takes one bad decision to be led by the nose and backed into a corner by making good on a promise he didn't intend to tweet.

 

Its kind of sad that posts like these don't surprise me anymore. Everything went out the window this year, some dude even tried to convince me the earth was flat..

 

I've never gotten the "Muslim" claims with Obama ( besides his name)

Always struck me as more of an agnostic tbh. ( I'm one as well)

 

I wouldn't include thumbs, but there are several other members here who would claim the earth is flat if Trump said it was. An increasing number of them are on my ignore list for other reasons.

 

I'm trying to keep it out of the Black or white narrative that controls this board.
Obama might have been a great president. He sure does looks like the nicest and coolest president ever, and maybe his domestic affairs were great for the US. I'm not as familiar with them as most of you guys.
But his foreign affairs policy was an enormous failure. I know it's hard to accept but in the darvinistic international world of politics, not doing is much more destructive than pretty much every action.
He had no plan of what to do with Iraq, no plan what to do with Afghanistan and Libya, very weak negotiation with Iran. He failed to react when ISIS emerged, failed to react when the Muslim brotherhood took over Egypt and swang the middle East into a complete Chaos.
Shouting loud and making fists and bumping chest might not be the correct reaction in the civilised Western world, but in the Jungle, that's the only way to stand ground. And make no mistake, the international world of politics is a jungle.
The US have an obligation as the world leaders, and they failed. Badly.
They have lost much more than you think, and I don't know if Trump will do better or worst. He's much more impulsive and I doubt if he has any plans what so ever.
But he knows the laws of the jungle, and he is intimidating. The world has to take him and the US in account, something no one has done with Obama in charge.

 

I'm not sure what America has lost on the world stage that it can't regain with effort and loads of cash. It's not like the US has completely pulled out Iraq. The Middle East is a wreck and will continue to burn for a while, so Russia gaining an upper hand on sand castles doesn't seem too ominous. What would be ominous are losing lucrative long term trade deals enshrined by international law.

Being king of the jungle has its price, and the us economy with its armed forces needed a reprieve after a decade of two largely unsuccessful and ongoing bloodbaths.

So it sounds like I'm defending Obama, but I'd rather not spend American money and lives on conflicts that have no bearing on me whatsoever.

Obama has largely tried to deflect foreign policy blame by pointing fingers at his allies for being all talk without substance. Maybe Trump will intimidate our traditional allies into paying their fair share, but it seems to be more alienation at the moment without an existential threat. Waging war makes best friends out of uneasy partnerships...

 

You think that Putin is holding on to sand castles but he is gaining much control in the middle East and this is very alarming to the US.
He is basically holding hands with Syria, Iran, Egypt (not quite but getting there), and now forming unexpected alliance with Turkey. And I'm not even mentioning China that will forever be Russia's dolls.
We are heading towards another cold war because of those sand castles as you call them.
US is still mighty powerful, much because of its strong army and technological advances but Russia is right there behind them, and those trade embargos will do nothing if the US will not hold firm.
Obama inherited a very bad domestic situation financially and he had to put his focus on that, but him losing control on the intenational front is something the next administration will need to focus on very strongly.
What Obama was doing and Kerry is doing now is not wrong in my opinion, but thats showing the undecisiveness of his policy in the past 8 years.

 

What's obvious is that "leading from behind" gets you nowhere when you have to deal with 5 or so squirmy politicians.

I went around Europe last year and I got a constant stream from different people about how the US shouldn't be the world's policeman, some polite and others a little more aggressive after a few drinks. With refugees showing up everyday, there was non-stop shade against Bush and Iraq.

The foreign policy failures on Obama are clear, though I find it amusing that an international poster welcomes Trump's heavy handed approach. It might seem different but it's the same "reinvent the wheel" bullshit that got the US in trouble with Bush. Maybe not world's policeman, but a security blanket?

They are sandcastles. If Russia overreaches, they lose their advantage of asymmetric warfare and become a bigger target for the Islamists. Obama screwed up the Israel and Saudi alliance by not blindly jumping at their beck and call, but Turkey was already picking fights with Israel and Erdogan has been moving further away from the West as he consolidates his power through Islamism.

Syria had largely known to have been a proxy of Iran, so the picture you're painting here isn't that drastic a change.

It's a humanitarian cluster**** but the lines are fluid and will remain fluid until Iraq, Syria and Egypt get their own **** together. Even then, you have things like the possibility of Saudi being bankrupt in the next twenty years or constant challenges for Iran to consolidate its power with each new generation.

Good luck to Trump on that. It's too bad Americans can't stay unified on foreign policy, but if it's hard to remain unified as a people, try doing that with a coalition of many.