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US General: "the Christian God is "bigger" than Allah, who is a false "idol&quo

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Oct 17, 2003.

  1. Desert Scar

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    Truth be told I totally stumbled on this thread after the Nomar thread--girls to politics--who would have thought the connection, I have only read a handful of threads in the last few weeks. The first time I came across it (suggesting Major must think of himself as "special" because he doesn't use the post and reply just like everyone else) I thought it was a bit odd but nothing worth commenting on. To come across it again about another poster using too many "honestly"s or whatever--that struck me as a pattern. I might have lead this slide too except ole Tex came in that "oh this is just a little constructive criticism from someone with a foreign perspective who is just trying to be 'helpful' "--and well, that was a little too much for me to stomach.

    Maybe you were not trying to be an ass and maybe what you said had nothing to do with previous grudges, but I do know the posts were detracting from the thread. Further, if my post makes some think twice before derailing threads via criticizing style over substance, particularly in the middle of hot threads, well even though what we did is similar (criticizing style based on patterns we saw) the purpose and hopeful outcome of our posts are different.
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    Thanks for making people think twice. You have made this world a better place.

    Also, thanks for knowing exactly what I must have meant.

    Finally, thanks for calling me an ass.

    Classy.
     
  3. Desert Scar

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    You want to irritate people to no end without saying anything don't you, bully for you. I didn't say you were an ass (somone who causes trouble for no reason), just like you seem to acting like one in a couple threads. For someone who sure says people should not take critical comments about their posting style personal you sure take things personal. I also said, "maybe I was wrong about you intentions"--but with your persistent defensiveness sure looks more and more like there is no "maybe" about it.
     
  4. Cohen

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    You didn't?
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    Don't drink and post :D.
     
  6. Rocket River

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    I don't know your girlfriend. . . . at least I don't think so ;)

    Rocket River
     
  7. Lil

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    SJC,
    give and you shall receive. it's just a little bit of your own medicine. don't get all worked up. lol!
    :p
     
  8. ROCKSS

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    While I respect your opinion, I do not agree with it. If you truely are a Christian, then you believe that Jesus Christ is the one true God. While I can respect other religions and their beliefs I do not believe they are serving the true God. I would be a hypocrite if I thought otherwise. I do not believe it is arrogance, I believe it is Faith followed by experience. I may not have alot of absolutes in my life although this would be number 1 without a doubt. Peace
     
  9. AroundTheWorld

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    I kind of like it, actually :D.
     
  10. Desert Scar

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    Nice selectivity SJC, for Cohen's and other sake I have provided the complete quote and context.....

    Again there is a difference between playing an ass on TV (in a couple of threads if you will) and being an ass. SJC, are you telling me posts about McBeth's use of "honestly" too much and Major "thinks he is special" by paraphrasing instead of using the reply with quote "like everyone else" was just your constructive criticism with no intent to sidetrack the discussion nor an effort to nudge (irritate) the poster nor came from some other irritation with them or something else they have said content wise?
     
  11. rimbaud

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    I think SJC just needs a hug...from MacBeth.

    I also think that SC called SJC an ass, but I am an idiot.

    Finally, I think Cohen stopped posting for a while but seems to have returned to a regular posting frequency lately and that is a good thing.
     
  12. AroundTheWorld

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    Nudging was definitely intended in MacBeth's case, Sir, as I believe I have posted before in this or some other thread where I said it is a bit mean of me that I enjoy MacBeth seeing get worked up. Regarding Major, I was just curious, only a very little bit of nudging was probably intended in that case.

    By the way, I am a little bit embarrassed by the attention I am getting from you...I feel honored, but I am not sure how much other people who came to this thread to discuss whether God or Allah is bigger are interested in your apparent obsession with me :).

    So stop the detracting or start a new thread "SJC fans anonymous" or something like that :D.
     
  13. AroundTheWorld

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    I think I just need some! ;) :D (not from MacBeth!!! :eek: :eek:)
     
  14. Desert Scar

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    Cool with me as the "ass" line has got a lot of attention. Please replace acting like an "ass" in those threads with "putz" or "twit" if that is more palatable. As for me, I can admit I was being an ass myself in this thread to make sure my point was completely unambigious.

    BTW, back on track, my god is bigger than yours :p
     
  15. AroundTheWorld

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    But that is the only thing about which you could say that to me :).
     
  16. AroundTheWorld

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    Well, since I am partly guilty for derailing this thread, I would like to bring it back on track.

    Bush Distances Himself from General's Islam Comment
    Wed Oct 22,11:11 AM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!


    By Adam Entous

    CANBERRA, Australia (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) distanced himself Wednesday from a senior military intelligence official who sparked an international firestorm by saying that Muslims worship an idol and not a "real God."


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    Moderate Muslim clerics took issue with Army Lt. Gen. William Boykin, an evangelical Christian who serves as deputy undersecretary of defense, during talks on the Indonesian resort island of Bali.


    "I said, 'He didn't reflect my opinion. Look, it just doesn't reflect what the government thinks.' And I think they were pleased to hear that," Bush told reporters afterward.


    The comments were Bush's first in public on the controversy surrounding Boykin, who portrayed the U.S. war on terrorism as a clash with "Satan," saying Islamic radicals sought to destroy America "because we're a Christian nation."


    Bush, in contrast, has publicly -- and privately -- rebuked Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad over his remarks about Jews controlling the West by proxy.


    In an interview with reporters aboard Air Force One, Bush said he "didn't yell" at Mahathir at an Asia-Pacific summit. "I said they (his comments about Jews) were divisive and unnecessary."


    Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced Tuesday that the Pentagon (news - web sites) would launch an internal probe into speeches given at churches and prayer breakfasts by Boykin.


    Senate Armed Services Committee (news - web sites) Chairman Sen. John Warner (news, bio, voting record), a Virginia Republican, called for Boykin to be reassigned, at least temporarily.


    Boykin's comments surfaced last week when NBC News broadcast videotapes of him giving speeches while wearing his Army uniform at various Christian functions.


    In one speech, Boykin referred to a Muslim fighter in Somalia who said U.S. forces would never catch him because Allah would protect him. "Well, you know what I knew, that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol," Boykin said.


    Several Democrats and some religious and civil rights groups have condemned his remarks.


    Boykin said in a statement Friday he was "neither a zealot nor an extremist," was "not anti-Islam or any other religion," and offered a "sincere apology" to those offended by his remarks.


    Reflecting growing mistrust of the United States among ordinary Indonesians, the clerics meeting in Bali also criticized Washington for supporting Israel over the Palestinians and for the occupation of Iraq (news - web sites).


    "There was kind of a sense that Americans believe that Muslims are terrorists," Bush said. "One of the reasons I wanted to have this meeting was because I wanted to make it very clear that I didn't feel that way and Americans don't feel that way."


    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20031022/ts_nm/bush_general_dc
     

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