Attitude of U.S. press after WWII same as U.S. press after Iraq war

What about those who didn't support our troops when they were on the ground in Kosovo? Tom Delay, Dick Armey and others were speaking out against the action while troops were fighting. Does the fact that they didn't vote down money (I'm pretty sure there was no vote) make them better than the "scumbags" to which you keep referring?

 

Maybe that's just what the media's doing as well.

 

So, you discount the Bush and other pro-war arguments (such as mine) that the war was justified because, if nothing else, Saddam is out of power? The world is a better place without Saddam in power and without Milosevic in power.

Regardless, some people, *gasp*, disagree sometimes, and many believe that Iraq wasn't an immediate threat to us. But, since they disagree with you, they're scumbags. Oh wait, only if there's money involved.

 

I was about to say the same thing, though it was gonna be long winded. I too think it's great to remove Saddam and It's my belief that the US on other powers should remove all brutal tryants from power. That's not gonna happen though and it's probably not fair to ask people in the military to shoulder that kind of responsibility. The thing is, and this is the way most people against the war felt was that Iraq was not a threat to us.


As for rebuilding Iraq, all americans need to take responsibility and make sacrifices like the greatest generation did. Would you, bama, be willing to fork over a part of your tax cut to fund that $87 billion plan?

 

I'm sure that Armey and the rest you mentioned were scoring some political points with their base as well. But they had a just reason to, because there was no need whatsoever for us to be in Kosovo

Ahh - so now it's not about supporting the troops anymore? I thought we were supposed to support the troops no matter what?

which wasn't much of a war because of the ultra-restrictive ROE's foisted on the military by the idiots in the Clinton administration.

You mean the ultra-restrictive ROE that ensured that American troops weren't dying? How horrible that we would prefer to sacrifice money instead of lives in that conflict.

There was no need for us to be in Kosovo. There was no national security threat from the Kosovars.

Many people could make a pretty strong argument that this was the case in Iraq as well.

 

It all depends though. Why did they vote against this money? Did they feel it was too much? Did they not like the terms? Back this up, don't just call them scumbags because they disagreed with President Bush on the number. If you're going to make allegations like this, you need to be able to back it up. Them simply voting the number down is not sufficient.

 

But Milosevic's ouster had nothing to do with our innumerable and wasteful interventions in the great galactic circle jerk that is the Balkans. The Serbians simply got tired of his poor governance and got him out. The sanctions helped, but our military intervention did little or nothing to help get rid of him, even if the world is a better place without Slobo.

You can't be serious. You don't think our blowing up Serbia's infrastructure had anything to do with it? You don't think Milosevic being embarrassed on the international stage had anything to do with it? You don't think our blowing up military C&C affected his ability to lead and control his country? The people got pissed at Milosevic because they blamed him for us blowing up their infrastructure - that's part of what started the uprising in the first place.

If we don't intervene in those conflicts, Milosevic is still in power today.

 

So, are you saying you wouldn't give up part or all of your tax cut to fund the $87 billion?

If you are, then go ahead and call yourself a scumbag.

 

No I wouldn't because we can start a new and expensive prescription drug boondoogle that will cost a gazillion times more than what the estimates say, but yet we can't afford 87 billion in a budget that is in the trillion and change mark? Pleeeeease!

Ahhh, Republican fiscal responsibility at its finest. I want to spend, and I want my tax cuts. Never mind the debt or how it will screw us in the future. Beautiful!

 

Completely off-topic...Major, are you at home? I'm nervous about the door.

 

So, you want us to keep pouring in money for however long it lasts....as long as you dont have to pay for it?

 

ROE's have nothing to do with saving American lives when there are no ground troops to worry about hitting or any friendly aircraft because of the lack of an air threat.


The most restrictive and frustrating ROE was a requirement that aircraft stay above a certain altitude to eliminate any chance of being shot down. That restricted NATO ability to hit the targets they wanted. We missed left and right against vehicles ... but we hit the big things when we started blowing up Sarajevo.

That was the only way to get NATO countries to cooperate in the mission. Otherwise, we had no deal.

We did no good over there because we just did it half-heartedly.

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of Kosovars who are still alive and in their homes because of NATO's efforts.