CIA: Russia manipulated the election to install Trump

It's a new era when the answer to whether we should care that Putin thinks one of the candidates will be good for Russia is who cares

 

Would you think differently of the Obama administration if it came out that 8 years ago Putin thought that his presidency would be good for Russia?

Does it matter that the Orlando terrorist was a Hillary supporter?

Does it matter that both Boston bombers were happy about Obama winning the election?

It's just faux controversy.

 

If I learned anything in this thread, we all should have voted Hillary simply because Russia didn't want her.

Clearly Russia is our biggest concern on this planet, not the economy or jobs.

 

I guess we'll have to wait for the release of RNC emails/ etc. before we get an appropriate response from conservatives.

 

Well if/when that does happen, we can expect our friends on the left to no longer think that it's a problem....you know, like they didn't think any of the other leaks/hacks were a problem to the point of glamorizing "hacktivists" until something they support was affected.

 

The most impressive thing the Russians did was hack into hillary's brain and get her to set up an email server in her basement.

 

Yet I would rather have someone who is disingenuous about email servers over someone who probably can't articulate how a bill turns into law AND is as much of a scumbag as one could be in the private sector as President.

 

If you refuse to try to understand other people, they will definitely keep frustrating you.

I haven't seen a single poster suggest "we all should have voted Hillary simply because Russia didn't want her." I definitely don't believe that. There are all sorts of other reasons to have voted for her, but whatever, she lost and she lost not because of Russia either way (in my opinion).

Nor have I seen anyone say Russia > economy or jobs. No. We have threads on the economy / jobs/ cronyism / tax cuts, etc. I think our economy is more important than Russia. (So far, Trump's appointments point toward a very good run for the stock market and rich people and a possibly horrific time for the poor and lower middle class, but I digress.) All that aside, this thread is about the CIA investigation and the agency's conclusions.

It is significant for all of the following to happen in concert:
1. an aggressive strongman in another country (a country we rightly have sanctions against) has a take on our election (no big deal all on its own, of course, as many have said; though I'll point out it's not like... Belgium having a strong take on our election. Putin has an entire career wanting us to be less powerful, but anyway, another time...).
2. former campaign chair of elected president had very strong ties to Russia
3. strongman does something significant about his preference, via hacking selectively against one campaign, releasing selected material, and generating scads of fake news stories (may or may not have had an effect; I think it didn't have the important effect on the election, at all, but would need a parallel earth to prove either way),
4. elected president keeps saying nice things about the authoritarian country and building closer ties (on its own not a big deal).
5. elected president dismisses our nation's intelligence community, wholesale, and particularly the CIA in this case. As the former CIA chief (from the Bush years) says: "Wow." We're used to it, but we shouldn't be. We need our chief executive to traffic in facts more often than not.
6. elected president installs a CEO, with no real political experience, who has been awarded a medal of friendship in Russia.
7. tax returns, which might shed some light on business connections between president elect and Russia are, against standing protocol, kept under lock and key. (This is the least important of the factors to me, but it adds to the sense of mistrust and the search for more information.)

Creepy. Worthy of a discussion and as other people have said, trying to take steps to minimize any foreign power's influence in our government and our elections. If they didn't have much of an effect this time, they might next time.

It's not that we want Hillary. Yes, some of us trust Trump a whooooole lot less than you do, so we're more alarmed. But it's a question of degree. Some alarm is warranted, whether a little or a lot will depend on how much you trust Trump, one of the most dishonest candidates (by factual analysis) we've ever seen. (I mean he lied just today, blaming CNN for something his own publicist said in an interview, LOL.)

 

So far none of the information they've released from their hacks have anything to do at all with Hillary's own personal server. Why are you bring that into this discussion?

 

I think that's the point. What he's saying is that Hillary choosing to grossly mishandle classified information while Secretary of State had more to do with "Russia hacking democracy" or whatever nonsensical narrative is being pushed.

 

Thank you for taking the time to put all of that together in a post. It isn't easy to take what seems like most people should already be aware of, but seemingly aren't and condense it into an efficient post.

 

Except Russians trying to interfere with the U.S. election and hacking U.S. political organizations computers is a legitimate story, as was Hillary's disregard of security protocol with her private server.

They are two stories that aren't seemingly related. Each could be discussed but there is no reason to drop one discussion into a discussion of the other.

 

I'm not saying that it's not a legitimate story at all, but it's just one in a long line of stories about hacks that end up on Wikileaks. It's not really more significant than any of the others.

The reason Hillary's crimes while Secretary of State come up in this thread is as a response to those who suggest that the Russians "installed" Trump as the president with the hacks. That's just a flatly inaccurate statement so people bring up some of the legitimate reasons why Hillary lost the election to counter it.

 

The CIA just concluded that Russia deliberately made an effort to influence the election. It's fair to argue how significant the impact was on the election, but what bothers me more is the complete denial by the president-elect.

 

At this point . .. . it does not matter.
I think reversing the Election at this point
will definitely start Civil War II
I think the Trumpers . . .well alot of the militia types have been waiting for a reason
and this would be it

Rocket River

 

Best thing Putin has ever done. He helped end the Clinton Corruption Dynasty. No more Bush's, no more Clinton's!!

 

Why would we reverse an election because of unethical behavior by Hillary and the DNC?

 

Lol.... why you no upset Russians didn't hack RNC.... most curious....