Which team has the best scouting team/drafting ability?

Portland drafted Sam Bowie over Jordan and Barkley, and thus, can never again be considered good talent evaluators.

 

I think the Rocs weren't too shabby themselves... okay, I'm sorry it's not even April yet. But we did good with Cassell and Horry. It pains me to think of anyone we drafted from the 80s except Dream. Buck Johnson, anyone? I think we got a little over our heads when we were trying to find the next Jeff Hornacek "Bryce Drew" and Matt Bullard "Dan Langhi and that Turkey dude who didn't even get to play." Besides the Suns, I also like Seattle. Lewis was a great pick. Radmanovic is solid and still getting better. Mason was looking good but the trade for Allen was too good to pass up.

 

the rockets seem to do so much better when they get later picks. besides cassell and horry (13 isn't really that late i guess) from yesteryear, we got cuttino at 41, kt at 22, othella at 30, and probably would've looked good on dickerson at 14 if he hadn't essentially had his career ended by injuries. it seems the closer we start getting to 1, the worse we do, until of course we get to won and then we draft badasses.

suns track record is damn good over the long haul.

the jazz? am i forgetting people they've drafted? kirilenko is good but the only other two i can think of are padgett and stevenson and they're nothing special. i must be blanking people out.

 

man, typing "won" instead of "one." that's a 4 am mistake. time to go to bed.

 

Clippers tend to make good draft picks, they just can't keep them.

 

Hahaha.
Read above first. I mentioned San Antonio.

What about Portland? Randolph and Wells. Good players. Now go read what Crisco said about Phoenix. Not just 2 players.

First of all, RJ is not an all-star, just like Wally is not an all-star. I don't know how the hell they could even be considered.

Kenyon is good. How many years has Kenyon been in the league?
How many all star appearances does he have? Tell me, please...

Shawn Marion-Made first All-Star appearance in 2003
Stoudemire- ROY...did you read that? ROOKIE

I don't know how you can say NJ has a better history than Phoenix. Same with Portland. I already said San Antonio. Do you want to go over the drafts of the last 5 years...10 years...I don't think so.

So, yeah you don't know what you're talking about. Go get defensive.

 

Oh, ok, so your congratulating yourself for saying San Antonio was better first? Or are you mocking yourself for saying San Antonio was better first? I suggest you figure it out before you get all confrontational about it.

But riddle me this, batman, if we're going to roll back to the drafting of Wesley Person, and Jayson Williams (13 years ago), shoot, might as well include the Lakers, I mean they drafted Magic Johnson, Byron Scott and James Worthy. And don't forget about the Bulls: Jordan and Pippen, with pippen plucked out of nowhere!

Or maybe you can arbitrarily draw the line at 13 years ago rather than 18 or 19 years ago and continue this stupid pissing match that you started for no reason.

Richard Jefferson made the dream team. Marion made the all star team. Which one is more impressive?

BTW, you never gave me your take on how awesome Tsaklidis was. Please elaborate, and then explain why Jake Voskuhl is better.

And finally, if Phoenix's front office is so darned smart, why did they essentially trade Finley and Nash for Stephon Marbury? (via Kidd). And if they are so great at identifying talent over the last few years, why don't they have anything to show for it except for a record that was one game better than the Rockets? With such a long term record of success, that should lay the seeds of dynasty.

But yeah, maybe you're right, maybe I should be scorned and ridiculed for questioning the greatness of the phoenix suns front office.

 

Now you two cut it out, or you'll stand in the corner while others play!

 

Richard Jefferson made the dream team?

You mean the team that was send out to qualify for the olympics?

Marion made the allstar team in the west and is far far better than Jefferon. He absolutely owns Jefferson in every aspect of the game.

And Marion turned down an invitation to play on your so-called dream team.

Richard Jefferson > Kevin Garnett. Jefferson made the dream team.


Even funnier that you are saying that Martin and Jeffersonare allstars when they aren't. And you question that Marion and Stoudemire ever will be when Marion is an allstar and Amare the reigning ROY.

You have no clue about basketball.

 

So much wrong here again.

1. The Suns traded Finley for Kidd for Marbury.
2. The Suns traded Nash for Marion

That's two seperate deals not Finley and Nash for Kidd.

3. Chicago didn't draft Pippen at all.

4. Jayson Williams was a low first round pick and you are comparing him to Magic Johnson... who was drafted way before Williams anyway. Williams was drafted in 1990.

Majerle #14 - Allstar, Real Dream Team
Finley #21 - Allstar
Jayson Williams #21 - Allstar
Cedric Ceballos #48 - Allstar
Jeff Hornacek #46 - Allstar
Steve Nash #15 - Allstar
Shawn Marion #9 - Allstar
Amare Stoudemire #9 - ROY soon to be Allstar


Stephen Jackson #42 - Solid player
Wesley Person #23 - Best shooter in the league
Jake Tsakalidis #25 - Role player center
Steve Kerr #50 -Long solid NBA career

Jury still out on Zarko, Barbosa and Jacobsen but especially the new rookies are looking like absolute steals once again.

 

I don't comprehend how this thread got so ugly so quickly. I admit, my first post wasn't that nice, but it wasn't directly insulting to anybody, it just questioned the general consensus that the Suns were far and away the greatest team at drafting players. I expressed disagreement with that fact.

But then you, who apparently are a suns troll with nothing better to do than cruise a rockets message board, and tozai, who I guess wishes he was one, got so offended by this statement that you had to start throwing out personal insults ("you have no clue about basketball" "Do you have any idea what you're talking about. Please name 3 teams that are better in this area, expert") for even making this suggestion. Granted, I responded in a not nice manner, which I shouldn't have, but you guys won't quit.

I find it bizarre that I have two nemeses named Tozai and Sinsin, it's like I'm being chased around by two villains from an anime cartoon or something. Anyway, I don't know where or why or how this started, but I have no desire to continue. I've never ever used my ignore list before, even though I've gottenn into some nasty fights with people before on this message board, but guess what, it now has two members, for some reason, the ugliness in this thread is just different, you two boys just aren't even worth the trouble. Have a nice life.

 

Last post before you hit the ignore list, but you never addressed the thrust of my argument, if all these players are so great, then how come the Suns aren't winning anything with them?

 

1. the rockets didnt lose out on Zach Randolph,because the griffin trade was made in "understanding" the day before. The three guys chosen by the rockets were told to us by Jersey who to pick. So jersey is not this great draft team,because they traded eddie for jefferson. Actually,New Jersey sucks worse than the rockets. Atleast we took the guy Jordan thought about long and hard for #1 until attitude issues stopped it.

New jersey had a chance to draft jefferson,randolph,gerald wallace and instead took collins and armstrong.

Also,the suns havent won anything,so who cares if dan was a allstar. I will get the last laugh. I met Amare at the rookie all star game last year(got his picture but no auto) and ask him specifically if he would ever play for the Rockets. He said I quote " Nuh,uh,the lakers are #1 on my list".

So you see,then reason the lakers havent signed Shaq is because they are going to not have shaq by the time Amare is free. And possibly Kobes contract will be erased also if he spends 1 day in jail. Plenty of cap to chase both Yao and Amare. I know though that Yao complained about to much fan hysteria while he was in LA so Rocket fans dont have to worry. I cant wait till the suns suck in 3 years. BTW,I myself would have picked Amare #2 so I guess that means I am smarter than the Gm's of bulls,warriors,jerry west,kiki of denver,knicks,clippers.I even tried convincing people and every fan on every board told me it was the dumbest thing they ever heard to pick Amare before Jay williams. Basically I love to laugh now in Chicagos misery because their fans are the dumbest. The cubs are cursed,haha LOL.

 

I think the Rockets are one of the worst, the only smart pick I can tell is Mobley. All the other pick by Houston in past 10 years has neither been bust(Langhi, Collier, Bullard) or just too stupid to be pass up (Yao, Steve)

 

What? I don't even know what you're talking about with the Spurs. All I was saying is that I already had listed the Spurs.

I wasn't rolling back to 13 years ago, so forget that tangent you went off on. I was saying within the last 5 years or 10 years the Suns have been one of the better teams. The Dream Team is a bunch of politics. Mike Bibby made the Dream Team. Nick Collison made the Dream Team. Who cares? The all-star team is much more impressive.

I never said Tsakilidis is awesome. He's a decent center, though. Not saying much in this era of basketball, but considering where he was drafted and how many of the centers that were drafted that were worse than him.

Your reasoning of trading Finley and Nash for Marbury is pretty funny. Yeah...I'm sure the front office was thinking back then, we're going to trade Finley and Nash now for Stephon Marbury in a few years.

Look, you said the Suns had two lucky picks and weren't good? No one ever said they're awesome. No front office is awesome. They are one of the best over the last few years though.

As I said: Spurs, Suns, Jerry West, Joe Dumars.

Name who's better. And no, not the Nets or Blazers. You could make a case for Sacramento, but not many other teams.