2016/2017 European Football Thread

i remember your post on that. i don't get the chance to follow the bundesliga, but didn't klopp bring a league trophy to dortmund? i'm trying to look at the bright side here, if he can bring a epl trophy to lfc, that would be good enough for jontro.

 

They won the league twice with Klopp, but then in his last season were 17th place after the 1st half of the season and ended up 7th.

Klopp's style worked extremely well in the first seasons and is one of those systems where players can really thrive and overachieve due to the team-oriented, compact pressing and aggressive style. It catches a lot of opponents off-guard and is hard to play against, especially when you're trying a possession-oriented style.

So what lead to his downfall? Everyone figured out his style and it eventually became clear that his approach really struggled vs. teams that just packed the paint and settled for counter attacks, while letting Klopp's team dominate the possession. During his last season with Dortmund, basically every opponent played the Mourinho park-the-bus style and Klopp still wasn't able to adapt to that in any way.

It seems the EPL teams have adapted to Klopp faster than expected, if he doesn't evolve as a coach the next years will be a real struggle and it could go downhill pretty fast.

 

how do you play against parking thr bus tho? are there any success stories against such tactics?

 

Special players make special plays. When they don't, they lose.

I'm sure that there's more to it than that, but it's mostly that.

 

You usually score from standards.... from a set play, corners, freekicks and try to shoot efficiently from long range

You need specialists though, and enormously speedy and crafty wingers like a Robben, like a Douglas Costa do help you.

players that are strong in 1 on 1 situations, if you cannot create cracks in the defense via teamball

changing the pace from one moment to another helps you as well.

 

isn't that basically what you have with lfc?

milner is a good set piece taker and you have the trio that can do all the above, plus lallana.

but jumpman breh is correct, when special players don't perform, they lose. and this weekend lfc lost (2 pts).

 

Sure, the best players should perform but the Saints are no pushover. EPL is the most balanced league in terms of strength I have seen.

I do not think Liverpool has established itself as a consistent top competition so far, sure they are one of the best teams rosterwise but as said you cannot just expect to win every game on the road against midtier level competition.

Klopp's teams have been tearing teams apart on a regular basis (with 4 or more goals) but even that he cannot perform every game.

 

Watch any random Bayern home game.

Quick passing and fast wing players that can go 1 on 1 are the key.

 

Fixed

 

Dortmund 8:4 Vs Legia, whaaaat. New CL record, must've been a crazy game.

 

Wait for San Marino to send a team to the Champions League, since football is for everyone. Legia obviously has no business playing there. 24 goals against them in five games.

 

Rostov won or what?

 

Embarrassing loss for Bayern. Not sure if it's the new coach, players being tired or not motivated, but I haven't seen Bayern in such a bad shape in years.

We need Martinez and Vidal back asap. Although I'm really mad at Vidal for playing injured for his national team and now being out. He actually should get a pay cut for that. With him on board we don't lose against Dortmund or today against a team that shouldn't compete in Champions League.

 

That hurts, Coutinho.

 

0:1 after four minutes, welp.

 

1:1 bayng bayng

 

Errbody be injured in LFC. Time to take back, wrap up, and put the expectations back on the shelves as the team spirals downward

 

The old system works better with Müller in the middle. But the ongoing defensive struggles are alarming. The upcoming Winter Break is much needed.


In other news German magazine Der Spiegel today published details from "Football Leaks" about players from La Liga avoiding taxes in huge numbers. Ronaldo used a letterbox company on the British Virgin Islands to keep around €75M he got from his advertising jobs out of his tax declaration. Özil was caught and obligated to pay €2M back and also a fine of around €800k.

When Ödegaard made his move to Real, lawyers advised his father to do the same stuff, but he refused to. Investigators checked around 1.9 Terrabyte data - contracts, E-Mails etc. - and apparentely he was the only one who didn't take advantage.