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What are the Democrat's prospects for retaking the Senate in 2018?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Nov 12, 2016.

  1. MojoMan

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    There will be 33 senate seats up for election in 2018. The Democrat's caucus will defend 25 senate seats, while the Republicans will defend only 8. By comparison, this time the Republicans defended 24 seats and the Democrats defended 10. The Democrats gained two, one in Illinois (Tammy Duckworth defeated Mark Kirk) and one in New Hampshire (Maggie Hassan defeated Kelly Ayotte).

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    Among the 25 seats being defended by the Democrats, five are in solid red states that Trump carried by at least 19 points (Indiana, North Dakota, West Virginia, Missouri and Montana), while and additional eight are in states Trump either won, or narrowly lost. So it is estimated that about 13 of the Democrat's seats will be competitive in 2018.

    The Republicans will defend eight seats in 2018, with the only competitive seats being in Arizona and Nevada, as shown on the map above. Unless you believe Senator Cruz's seat in Texas is likely to be competitive during the 2018 midterms.

    So the prospects of the Democrats gaining ground in the Senate in 2018 are not really very good, baring a major disaster or sea change in the direction of our politics, especially in the five states that Trump carried by at least 19 points. Even if the Democrats win both Arizona and Nevada, they are likely to lose all five of these states that Trump dominated in. If that is the extent of the movement in the Senate race in 2018 - and it could well be - the Republicans would gain three seats. But with all the of the marginal seats that the Democrats are also defending, the Republican gains could be potentially greater.

    So it appears that 2016 really was probably the Democrat's best chance to retake the Senate for a while and that things are not going to be nearly so rosy in 2018, or depending how many seats the Republicans gain in 2018 (if they do win seats), maybe not in 2020 either.
     
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  2. glynch

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    Based on the number of seats up for reelection and the GOP determination to keep billionaires investing in politicians it does not look good-- unless Trump turns into the complete clusterf*** that might happen with his naricisstic personality disorder. . However in 2020 as Latinos keep becoming citizens to vote against Latinophobe Trump, the sexual predator, and four more years of tax cuts for the rich fail to produce any trickle down so more of the deluded wise up , what are the chances of the Repubs retaining the presidency? Throw in also some more Evangelicals who finally realize that "no, the Bible is not really the sexual predator's favorite book."
     
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    I do think Cruz's seat is far hotter than people might realize. I think there's a real chance he gets a primary challenge from Rick Perry and then the winner will likely have to run against Joaquin Castro. Castro will have huge Hispanic support and will be probably the best candidate the Dems have put up in a major statewide race in some time. There's quietly been some momentum swinging the state more purple than it's been in some time. Democrats won in Williamson County this week. I lived there for some time and that's as red a county as they come.
     
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    Not likely at all.

    Democrats will be burning Castro if they make him run against Cruz.
     
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    I can speak to the Montana Senate seat.

    Although Montana always votes Republican for President, it is a very purple state. The Democratic Governor just won re-election, and there has rarely been 2 Republican Senators from here. Senator Tester is fairly popular here and anything but your typical left leaning Democrat. If there was another Democrat I would compare him to it would be Jim Webb or Joe Mancin.

    It will be a difficult road for any politician to defeat him...but the lone Congressman from Montana is a former Navy Seal who is serving his 2nd term in congress...Ryan Zinke. I expect he will be the one put up to take down Tester. Should be an interesting race.
     
  6. MojoMan

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    Coming into the 2016 with the Republicans defending 24 seats, in a presidential election year, with the Republican presidential candidate being either Donald Trump or Ted Cruz, and with the media not even really trying to pretend not to be totally in the tank for Hillary Clinton, Dems had to be shooting for a net pickup early on of around 10 seats or maybe even more. Considering this was probably the last chance for the Democrats to make gains until at least 2020, this really was a big lost opportunity for the here.
     
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    It all depends on what happens in the next 2 years. If the Republicans in congress crap the bed when they have the keys to everything, and the Democrats run competent candidates, they just might take back congress. Short of that however, it's going to be a long 4 years for our friends on the left.
     
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    With a 3-1 ratio of Democratic Senators to Republican Senators up for re-election, the chances are highly likely the GOP will get back the two seats they just lost and probably net 3 to 5 additional ones, perhaps even enough to cut off any filibustering.
     
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    not promising...

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    Also, most governors that will be in power in 2020, when the next census happens, will be decided during the 2018 elections. Governors typically have four year terms.

    So the Democrats need to find a way to win back some of these governors mansions in 2018, and state legislatures in 2020, or when all the political districts are again withdrawn, the lines will again be favorable to the Republicans for another decade, until 2030. Of course this "gerrymandering" (which they also do when they are in power) has been a major reason why the Democrats have been unable to win back the House.

    After the current year elections, the Republicans hold 34 governors mansions, while the Democrat's hold 15, with one race still being counted. As far as legislatures, Republicans will control 68 out of 99 legislative chambers, an all-time high for the GOP. And they will have full control of 33 legislatures, up from 31. (That includes Nebraska, which has a technically nonpartisan, single-chamber legislature.) Democrats will be in full command in just 13 states.

    So the Democrats have a lot riding on the 2018 elections, to say the least.
     
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    I hate Gerrymandering and the bullshit gamesmanship that goes along with it.

    This is probably one area where I'd rather have computers dealing with it
     
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    I think Trump's pick for the vacant Supreme Court seat (which he should never have received, with McConnell blocking even hearings on Obama's nominee, an unprecedented and reckless act) will drive the 2018 Senate races. If Trump picks a wildly far-right justice who is determined to roll back established law, we could see a strong voter backlash leading to gains in both the Senate and the House for Democrats. If Trump picks two justices of that ilk, if another vacancy arises, there will be an even stronger reaction. We'll just have to wait and see what he does. Merrick Garland deserves a vote. If he doesn't get one, and I'm assuming he won't, this will be the first time a President leaves office with a Supreme Court seat unfilled. If I'm wrong about that, someone will correct me, I'm sure. All my humble opinion, naturally.
     
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    I do understand why it should be of more interest for all the working class., but this is Not the main issue especially for the white working class, working 2 or 3 minimum wage jobs with no benefits trying to manage kids, health care and child care etc. The S. Ct. is in general the main issue for the educated often times comfortable wonkish types. There is a segment of the poor or lower class whose churches have convinced them that Jesus wants them to vote GOP.
     
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    Not likely, unless Trump does the unthinkable and the economy crash.
     
  15. Commodore

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    we just had an election on the question of whether Garland deserves a vote
     
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    Well, he wouldn't have received it if Obama had picked a nominee that enticed the Senate to give their advice and consent on. You can dislike that if you want, but that's how our government is set up to work. You can't be vetoing things the Senate passes and then expecting them to rubber stamp your nominations.
     
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    Thank Harry Reid for being McConnell's model for intransigence -- blocking legislative proposals at a record rate. As a result, I have no sympathy for Garland being left to twist in the wind.

    Wouldn't it be ironic to see Ted Cruz named to the SCOTUS? The Republicans banish Cruz from the Senate while adding a strict constructionist to the court: the Texas governor gets to appoint a Republican senator; and Trump and Rubio don't face a serious presidential contender in four or eight years.
     
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    Totally dependent on how much Congress gets done and how far Trump goes. I don't believe the Democrats are as lost as everyone is saying. They just doubled down on a bad candidate and got too cocky. I was more concerned the Republican Party would be destroyed if Trump lost than the Democrats if Trump won.
     
  19. Commodore

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    look at who Rahm recruited in 2006 to take back Congress, there's your answer

    that being said, only chance of flipping in 2018 is NV and longshot AZ/TX
     
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    I'm glad that you understand that the "working class" struggling in this country apparently don't see the Supreme Court as a deal breaking issue, something "they" will eventually regret, assuming that one would be correct to lump the "working class" together that way, seeing as how you are an educated often times comfortable wonkish type yourself. I don't see the "working class" as a monolithic group, however. You go ahead, though.
     

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