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Can anyone now deny a major wing of the GOP is racist?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Nov 10, 2016.

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    Glynch, Trump stated just after his election that one of his priorities is to bring jobs and better education to the residents of the inner cities. How is that racist? What IS racist is the way that Democrats have promised blacks the moon but given them a few entitlement crumbs to keep them in a new form of George Wallace/Old South practices.

    Democrats know that he shows minorities that they can truly be equal, they will lose their power. No wonder you don't want this to happen. Just keep stirring up the mobs so the status quo won't change.
     
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    It would stop if the President-Elect made a speech. If he came out and said, KKK, white-nationalists, neo-Nazis, I don't want your support. You are not part of our coalition. There is no place for you in how we will govern this nation going forward. Your ideas won't be represented in the government that I'm going to lead. Let's all get on board and change the way Washington works...

    I guarantee you if the President-Elect actually took leadership seriously and lead by pointing the ship in that direction, the riots would either go away or lessen in their zeal without a doubt. People may not believe it 100% but Trump has never held office, and people don't really believe that anyone could be serious about half the crap he was spewing during the campaign. They would probably be able to at least wait and see if maybe he would govern differently.
     
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    They way to stop that card from being played is removing the ammunition behind it.

    If the criminal justice system actually was applied equally it would help. If hiring, placement in gifted programs, promotions, etc. were actually applied equally, it would help people from stopping to play the race card. But that doesn't happen. It's much easier for whites with the exact same (actually even worse) resumes as blacks to get jobs, promotions, placement in gifted programs etc. When that changes, the race card will be played with much less frequency.

    I do think it's harmful when the race card is played without reason. Sometimes it's done because minorities are used to being discriminated against and expect it, and sometimes it's done in an effort to take advantage of a situation. But often it's played because things aren't equal.
     
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    The race card was played wrongfully the whole election cycle.
     
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    The current president has NEVER been one to discourage rioting, he's really more a "fan the flames and further divide the country" type of president. If you are expecting him to do anything to calm people down, you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
     
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    Sour grapes don't taste very good bro. Suck it up, pucker up and take it for the next 8 years. You may find it easier and you may actually enjoy it. I'm quoting your King Barry " The election is over you've lost and we've won so sit down and shut up".
     
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    Here's the deal with racism in this nation. When people talk about, they are often talking about many different things.

    When certain white folks here the word racist, they have been taught that racism is horrible, that racists have done horrible things, and the idea that comes to their mind is a horrible inhuman monster who wants to ship all black people out of the United States, thinks that laws should segregate schools, businesses, public places, etc. And that these "monster" racists will say those things clearly and outright.

    So when they hear someone being called a racist, or being accused of doing racist things, that is what they think of, and if they don't see it, they feel an unfair criticism was made, and that someone was just playing the race card to get an advantage.

    Minorities and other white folks understand that racism is a many-layered thing. It can mean that horrible "monster" racist, but it also takes many other forms. Of course the person who believes and openly states the things that "monster" racists believe in is guilty of racism. But it goes beyond that, and there are other things that happen much more frequently every single day that aren't as overt as that "monster" racism.

    When a person sends out their resume with a name that sounds African-American and doesn't get called in for an interview, but then sends in the same exact resume with caucasian sounding and does get called in for an interview, racism could definitely be a factor. It's easy for certain white folks to say, it doesn't matter, that if the minority just works hard and doesn't complain then, they can rise above. In their mind they think that if they knew minorities that were polite, hard working, diligent, and dedicated, they would have no problem hiring/promoting/befriending that minority. That is fair because that is the same criteria they have for hiring/promoting/befriending white person.

    But what gets lost is that when racism on the level of not wanting to upset the office, and build an environment where people can work together easier keeps them from calling in the applicant with an African-American sounding name, it's still racism. It's racism even though in their mind, they made a business decision. It wasn't a decision that the applicant was less of a human being. It was only about business. So they don't see it as racism. That is especially true because to them racism what the "monster" who wants to kick black people out of the nation, thinks they are all lazy criminals etc.

    However, the applicant with the African-American sounding name didn't get the interview because of something about them that is African-American. It's still racist. There are dozens of lower profile incidents like these. It has to do with who security follows around department stores, who gets pulled over by the police, who gets academic rewards or belief in a person's academic ability. It happens when black person is on a news program and the announcer who is often a white liberal will exaggerate the Doctor when saying their name. "This is DOCTOR Cornell West". That doesn't happen when a white PHD is on the show. The host will say the Doctor with normal emphasis. To some whites that doesn't seem like a big deal, but it is a way of treating the races differently.

    All of these "little" forms of racism do help keep things from being equal. They do send more African-Americans to jail for doing the same crime that didn't send a white person to jail. They do keep African-Americans from getting the same /jobs/promotions/educational opportunities as white people have. These "smaller" forms of racism make the "monster" level of racism possible.

    Racists are people to. They care about their kids, can be generous and giving to their friends. They might go out of the way to help a sick neighbor, donate to charity etc. Because of this some white folks will have a hard time seeing that person as real racist, because they aren't an inhuman monster. And after all they've been told and shown that racists are inhuman-monsters.

    Anyway as long as their is this disconnect in what racism really is and how it manifests itself, it makes it very difficult to have conversations with some people on the issue.
     
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    Succinct and cogent explanation of racist as practiced today -- kudos FB.

    Because I am a light skinned Hispanic (I get that from my English/Welch mom), I never really understood the inherent racism that some people face. However, my parents told me horror stories of how they could not live in certain areas in their younger days (my father was a dark skinned Hispanic who was more fluent in Spanish than English). I just didn't relate to that until my teenage years and even one of my early jobs (I was hired because I had an Hispanic last name but looked "white," although I didn't know that until I was two years into the job, which I immediately left due to my huge ego in those early years).

    So, FB, I cannot fully understand racism, your post really helps people to be more aware of the subtle racism that exists.
     
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    More than all that, there is also the expectations game. When some white families are looking at schools, they get worried if there is a high percentage of African American students. They feel they don't have anything against black folks, but they are really worried about their children growing up with too much of a criminal element. So that expectation exists.

    There is the boss (usually white) that will hire a minority, and still in the back of their mind, think, "I did it, now this person has every chance to prove they really do belong. Let's see how they do." So to some small degree they will read into the person's actions that "they indeed are just like the stereotypes I was worried about". A white guy who gets hired by that same boss usually has his actions on the job weighed in their total. If mistakes are made but they are understandable because of miscommunications or misunderstandings, they are overlooked. Hard work, and quality output are seen as exactly that, not a matter of "yes they did do that, but when is the bad side going to come out?"

    At the same time, the same boss may get along well with minorities at church, or other social events, so they feel they can't be racist. Though they do think if more black people were like their black friend it would be so much better for everyone.

    It's kind of like Harden. People that don't like him as the franchise player of the team see and give weight more to the actions of him missing defensive plays or turnovers. Yes, they will grudgingly admit he carried the team offensively but it doesn't matter in the long haul. They will also overlook the good defensive plays he makes and focus on the costly ones.

    On the other hand there are people who will excuse every bad play Harden makes because they think he does so much else for the team.

    The expectations going into it are often different for minorities.
     
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    There is an easy answer for your question directed at malakas. Those voters, "who heavily supported Obama (thus be all about the "equality') switch over to support Trump?" didn't vote for Trump. They either voted for a 3rd party candidate or simply didn't vote. Look it up.
     
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    So true. In Michigan which Trump won, there were more than 90,000 voters who voted for every position on the ballot but left the Presidential vote blank. Hillary would have won Michigan if only those voters had gone her way. Those voters couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump, so they just left it blank.
     

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