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Trump says he might not repeal Obamacare

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by TheRealist137, Nov 11, 2016.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Well yeah, that part is stupid.....kind of like Obama running on closing down Gitmo in the first 100 days. Sometimes people say stupid things they can't actually do when they are running to get stupid people to vote for them.
     
  2. JayGoogle

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    The issue here is Obama never made it that big of an issue. People didn't elect him to shut down Gitmo. At least I've never met a single person who made that their big issue.

    People elected Trump because he was going to build a wall (that Mexico will pay for) and have very strict immigration.
     
  3. Liberon

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    Wow you're a female and about a year younger than me.
     
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    Campaigning and governing are two different things. Obama was great at campaigning and poor beyond words at governing. We shall see if we elected Obama's political twin.

    Remember, Obamacare was written so that no one could understand it. It has to be unraveled over time, piece by piece. Defunding parts, repealing partsl and letting parts die on their own will be the best means of ridding the nation of its shackles.

    The fence may not be a physical fence. It could be electronic or horizontal (perhaps an electric grid that shocks one silly when his or her weight is put on it ... and Mexico may "pay" for it by placing an extra dollar on tourist visas for traffic in and out of the U.S. and Mexico. That btw is just an example. There are a lot of ways for Trump to show that Mexico is paying for the fence or wall or whatever.

    Let's sit back and see whether he can govern. Only time, not pontification, will tell.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    2 of Obama's biggest campaign promises were about cutting bait and running away from Iraq and Afghanistan and closing Gitmo.....the last of which he promised to do in the first 100 days. I don't think anyone based their support on those promises any more than I think Trump supporters based their support over a border wall.

    It's just an example of promises that were never going to be kept that stupid people believed and now today we still have well over 10k troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and Gitmo is still open for business. 8 years from now, Mexico still won't be paying for a border wall. Candidates lie, film at 11.
     
  6. JayGoogle

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    The removal of troops yes, but the gitmo thing...it really doesn't matter. We are talking about Trump here and not Obama.

    Trump repeated his wall over and over and over again. I think even to some of his supporters it is more symbolic than anything. I think for most people it is symbolic, Americans are never really against building crap after all.

    The big issue is immigration in general and jobs. If he's not as aggressive on immigration as his supporters want him to be I'm pretty sure they will not be happy about that. Then if he at the same time cozies up to the very same lobbyist that he railed against (As he's doing now) then I imagine all that passion he drummed up to win this election will just sort of dissipate. He's promised big and at every election you sort of have to do that of course I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying I'm not sure his supporters are the type that are going to be patient with this. After all it's been pointed out that a lot of them voted blue last election, Trump feels more like an experiment kind of thing. I mean it is...he has 0 political experience so this is a complete experiment.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    My point is that ALL politicians do similar things.....and I pointed out that Obama did the same when it comes to repeating nonsense over and over again that can't and won't actually happen to make certain stupid voters happy.

    The way I look at it, while Trump has 0 political experience, he's got tons of executive experience both good and bad so in a lot of ways, he's considerably more qualified for the job than the guy we have in the office now who got on the job training as his first ever executive experience in his life.

    Also, when we talk about what motivated voters to abandon the Democratic party and support Trump in the rust belt, it sure as hell wasn't because of immigration policy. It's just not something that really matters in Michigan. The union voters who abandoned their Democratic masters likely did so due to Trump's rhetoric about bringing jobs back to this country and supporting manufacturing.....also likely BS, but that's not the point.
     
  8. Hakeemtheking

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    I too believe that the ACA will, at most, be revamped. It is a big infrastructure (clinics, hospital, insurers, etc...) that took years to get off the ground.
     
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    Maybe Nobel committee will award Trump with the War Prize only to end up not starting any **** at all.

    Reverse psychology works on that manchild.
     
  10. Rocket River

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    I thought he did already
    saysing something like a metaphorical wall
    a WALL OF UNDERSTANDING or some such

    Rocket River
     
  11. ItsMyFault

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    Not surprised.
     
  12. Space Ghost

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    You speak as if the insurance industry is not already destroyed. "lol"

    If we are to reasonably address health care costs and issues, we must dismantle the insurance industry as the gateway, not reinforce it.

    Secondly, we need to completely revamp healthcare regulations. Essentially, we need to figure out how to drastically reduce the pre-exisiting costs.
     
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    Um....Congress Blocked Obama from Closing Gitmo. He couldnt transfer the prisoners to prisons in the US and many countries didnt want to take them. So he couldnt really do anything with Gitmo.
     
  14. Bobbythegreat

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    So....he was blocked by the Democrat controlled Congress? Sounds like the political reality of the situation was vastly different than the thought it was then right? I mean, he said he'd do it in the first 100 days....the only hurdle would be Democrats.
     
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    Um.....to get Congressional Approval.......he needed 60 votes in the Senate. There weren't enough democrats.
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    So that's what the excuse is going to be? Fair enough, I assumed that there were people ideologically opposed to blaming Obama for any of his failures. I mean when asked about it he said "the path of least resistance was to just leave it open". The reality of the situation was that NO ONE wanted to go along with it, so in order to do it, he'd have to take all the blame if anything went wrong as a result. He wasn't willing to do that. Not only that there was pressure from other countries along with from within his own administration telling him not to do it.

    It was something he promised before he knew what that promise would really mean. He then got some on the job training and that's why it remains open to this day.
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    For the record, he could have closed down Gitmo via executive order on his very first day in office. It wasn't until years later that congress passed a law preventing that. He didn't want to take all the heat when things went wrong and he would have had to if he did it unilaterally.
     
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    You really don't understand how Congress works. I have a feeling you are beginning to realize you beloved wall, which will do nothing to stem the flow of approximately 25 million people monthly from crossing the southern border for business/pleasure, isn't going to happen in a meaningful way.
     
  19. dmoneybangbang

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    Executive orders can't be used for anything. This is about Trump back pedaling on his core issues before being sworn in. If you were honest beforehand that Trump is a conman then none of this should be surprising, lest you gobbled up some of his con.
     
  20. Realjad

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    You libtards are just showing your ignorance. This post by you specifically shows that you succumbed to the media's portrayal of Trump instead of the truth.

    Trump has said all along he likes certain aspects about Obamacare and he will keep those.. but that he will repeal it and present something much better. He said the things he will make sure will be kept is healthcare for all where everyone will be able to get taken care of, even if you're homeless


    Libtards and media are spouting that he is doing a U-Turn when this is what he has been running on the entire time. Even mentioning it's a 'very un republican thing to say'

    Trump is pro universal healthcare



    This just shows your ignorance to his platform

    I guarantee the more you gullible libs learn about Trumps real platform the more you'll like him
    But knowing your intelligence, he could be the greatest president in History and you would hate him since he isn't a 'Democrat'. Even though he has a lot of liberal stances

    The truth is, when you take the blindfolds you have on off, you'll see he really is the president for all Americans
     
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