New York Times: Hillary Clinton illegally used private email for all State Dept. business

ProTip: when syncing your blackberry to your pedophile husband's laptop, remember to uncheck the box that reads "Sync Classified Emails?"

 

@Deckard you're someone i like and respect, at least elsewhere on the board, but it pains me to watch you try and defend Hillary's behavior, and besmirch the reputation of a dedicated public servant (one you were defending just a few months ago.

for the record, the original sin is the private email server, and the mixing of personal and classified email. it's illegal. period.

here's an explanation (although i know you know all this already)

full disclosure: i loathe Trump and everything he stands for.


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"I have worked in national security my entire life. Most of that has been in the intelligence community surrounded by classified information. For twenty years, I worked undercover in the Central Intelligence Agency, recruiting sources, producing intelligence and running operations. I have a pretty concrete understanding of how classified information is handled and how government communications systems work.

Nobody uses a private email server for official business. Period. Full stop.

The entire notion is, to borrow a phrase from a Clinton campaign official, "insane." That anyone would presume to be allowed to do so is mind-boggling. That government officials allowed Hillary Clinton to do so is nauseating.

Classified and unclassified information do not mix. They don’t travel in the same streams through the same pipes. They move in clearly well defined channels so that never the twain shall meet. Mixing them together is unheard of and a major criminal offense.

If you end up with classified information in an unclassified channel, you have done something very wrong and very serious.

Accidentally removing a single classified message from controlled spaces, without any evidence of intent or exposure to hostile forces, can get you fired and cost you your clearance. Repeated instances will land you in prison.

Every hostile intelligence agency on the planet targets senior American officials for collection. The Secretary of State tops the list. Almost anything the Secretary of State had to say about her official duties, her schedule, her mood, her plans for the weekend, would be prized information to adversaries.

It is very difficult, in fact, to think of much of anything that the Secretary of State could be saying in email that we would want hostile forces to know."

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...-hillarys-emails-matter-a-retired-cia-officer

 

Well...You still can't figure out your own party called you ignorant..

 

FACTS -
1. 650K emails the FBI has to go through from Anthony Weiner computers
2. The FBI has been actively investigating the Clinton Foundation
3. The DOJ has vehemently tried to block the FBI probe into the Clinton Foundation
4. The White House Press Secretary is actively trying to distance themselves from the Clinton re-investigation/ and NOT being critical of the investigation by the feds
5. Several KEY democratic leaders have officially withdrawn their support from the Clinton campaign...in order to "reevaluate"...

WHY did the feds reopen a case...There must have been real pressure from within the bureau. Maybe just maybe, there is real evidence of corruption at the highest levels of office that need to be addressed. Comey was terrific for liberals everywhere up until Friday...and NOW he is the most hated man ever? The Director of the FBI would NOT come to the American public with nothing. The Whitehouse wont remain silent if this was a bunch of nothing. There is real substance and we may just be starting to uproot the trash within our government. Whatever your political leanings are...which ever way you decide to vote...YOU have to acknowledge that this is a major development within just 8 days of the general election.

I truly believe that these "hacks/leaks" came from within...It should be expected in a nation as divided as we are currently... I CAN believe that there are people within the FBI made us privy to things that are hidden from the American public. This might have just been the pressure Comey needed to thoroughly investigate the Clinton Machine. Wikileaks obtained this information somehow... The sources are more likely from the FBI/CIA than from Russia. I must remind you all that the United States is the largest collector of cyber-intelligence in the world, and they store troves of data in secure military servers throughout the continental US.

 

WOW! That's some heavy facts.

Can we see some links to back them up?

 

Um, just read any reputable newspaper?

 

They should handcuff her as soon as she rest her hand on the bible to take the oath. That would be beautifully symbolic.

 

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html?_r=1&referer=

NYTimes is calling Hilary out for her BS.

What?

 

It pretty much said that the FBI thinks the Russians were behind the leaks. They don't think the Russians were out to get Hillary but rather to cause havok to American system. It doesn't repudiate the joint statement by the 18 17 agencies (you're welcome, Dir. Comey) that claimed the Russians were behind the hacks.

FBI also doesn't think the election can be rigged through foreign hacking. Too many, too old.

What's ultra weird is that Trump couldn't shake the association. Alfa dawg jumped straight in and played right into Hillary's messaging. I thought the Putin BFF angle played by Hillary was as effective as labeling Kerry a flip flopping traitor despite being the only candidate to serve in a war no one wanted to remember. It's simple, symbolic, and easily repeatable to partisans.

 

None of us should be too upset about the outcome for any of this. Because we, as Houston sports fans, may very well be looking at the city of Cleveland having 2 championship parades this year. 2. Cleveland.

 

I don't think any reasonable person associated Trump with Putin. It was a weak smokescreen to distract the Dem base from the truth. It speaks more to the willful ignorance of Hillary supporters falling for blame the messenger routine again.

 

You think Trump is better? Projection much?

Hillary fights like an established politician who counters and punches with range, desperately avoiding any direct hits to her.

Trump fights like a dumb in-fighting boxer dragging both sides down through dirt and attrition.

I don't think the public wants either for a president.

 

from the day the NYT reported on the server:

Spoiler

 

I don't want them either.

Hillary may fight like an established politician, true. Should the public be too smart to fall for that, absolutely. But unlike most politicians, she is also under 2 separate FBI investigations for criminal behavior.

 

I'm sure Mills won't be able to recall what she meant there.

 

c'mon Mark.

I know it.
You know it.
Everybody knows it.

What more do you need?

 

Trump screwed up, and Clinton screwed up. They've both screwed up numerous times. I think that all of us can agree on that.

Maybe, it's a matter of looking at these candidates and saying, "Considering that both of them come out of their investigations / trials unscathed, who would you rather have making decisions as the President of the U.S.?

I know I have a bias, but I'm thinking that... if you're talking about someone who's learned their lesson and would be more equipped to make intelligent decisions, I think you have to side with Clinton a bit. Do you see Trump making critical decisions? What is Trump going to do when he is opposed by members of Congress? I truly think he'd be having press / Twitter wars with people for the next 4 years instead of getting around to the actual business of governing. I don't think he could be convinced to listen to the right people and make the right decisions.

I think many of us liberals, while defending Clinton, certainly see her for what she is- a calculating, savvy politician who's more than a little on the icy side

Do I think she committed a crime? When my FBI guy told me he thinks she did, I have to believe him. Do I think Trump committed a crime? Yes, I do because it's hard to believe 11 people making something up. At the same time, I have this nagging feeling that I have to go by "innocent until proven guilty." Heck, I would even apply that to Richard Nixon. Remember, Richard Nixon was never indicted nor convicted of a crime. He resigned and was pardoned (thanks, Gerald) before any of that transpired. For all we know, Nixon might have been found innocent. You never know.

I just have this gut feeling that if Clinton's in the White House, you're going to have someone who can make better decisions- I think, at the least, as much as Clinton has a humongous ego, I really do feel she would listen to the right people and make much more rational decisions than Trump.

I think I'd be more inclined to worry about what Trump would do in the White House.

I don't know if any of us can make our decisions based on whether or not Clinton or Trump are found guilty. I think it has to come down to whose policies you support and who you feel would do a better job.

It would not be unprecedented for someone as unqualified as Trump to hold public office ("I'll Be Back."). I just don't know if his ego, even bigger than Clinton's, could be controlled. I mean.... guys, we're talking about Trump here (cue the Allen Iverson rant).

But if you're basing it on who he would appoint as Supreme Court justices, his views on immigration, etc., well, as much as you might dislike his personality, you'd have to vote for him and shouldn't feel the least bit bad about it. Again, people can change and it's POSSIBLE that Trump could be a rational, mature President who unifies both parties. I don't think he will... but I didn't think the Cavs were coming back, either.

That's what I based my decision on - it's why I voted for Bush in 2000- Gore just didn't strike me as the type of person who would be an effective leader- and Bush did have governing experience, so I rolled the dice on that one (plus, as a music fan, I detested Tipper Gore- I mean, I hated that lady, fair or not).

Tell you what, if Trump pulls it off- man, there's going to be a LOT of uneasiness in this country. He'd better be a great uniter as he says he'd be.

You have to take this post from where it comes- a place of bias- but I tried to be as non-biased as a biased person can be- if that makes a modicum of sense.

I don't agree with the political views of posters like Space Ghost, Ipaman, etc.- but they don't agree with mine, either. Actually, I should amend that- I'm sure there are probably multiple items we agree on, but those few sticking points tend to dominate the discussion. As much as we disagree, though, we have to see their side of things- liberal policy is distasteful for many reasons to conservatives. So, maybe you look for whatever common ground you can and you see if there's a middle where both sides can reasonably meet.

After this election? Questionable.

 

I think people need to start coming to grips with a Trump presidency... I just don't think there are any more ugly videos or accusers to find on Trump and that IMO is the only way Hillary gets her corpse dragged across the finish line. I do think the potential for more and more and more ugliness about Hillary to keep showing up.

I'm happy it isn't Hillary but like dandorotik says... very uneasy.

 

I just don't see a path for that happening. Trump would have to sweep all toss up states and win a few that are already leaning towards Hillary to get to 270. Trump was one of the only people who would lose this election and that's who the morons in the GOP picked. They can only blame themselves for Hillary's election.

 

What trump screw ups have threatened national security? What trump screw ups have affected me or anyone i care about? I am not a trump fan and am voting Johnson.