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Out of Bounds Plays

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BackNthDay, Oct 31, 2016.

  1. BackNthDay

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    Night and day difference between Mike D. and Kevin McFail. We are now actually a threat to score. Specifically sending Nene to the ball and having him drop the backdoor dime was awesome to see. Also, James scoring a layup right before halftime was totally refreshing. Without those 2 plays, we lose. In the past, James would've forced a difficult 3 or mid range jumper. We now have player and ball movement, instead of players standing frozen on the court.

    Thanks Mike D.
     
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    We also could've put the Dallas game away with 30 secs left had James not held the ball and turned it over.
     
  3. heypartner

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    imo: McHale sucking at ATO Plays is a myth. I'm not saying MDA isn't better, but I always thought that was one of McHale's few good things.

    And the stats back up McHale, too. Rockets were ranked highly on ATO plays under him. Look it up. Someone yesterday recalled us being like 3rd in the league in 2015.
     
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    Seriously, maybe JB Jr was the culprit, because I don't remember us looking pretty in 2015 on ATO's.
     
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    COMPLETELY agree with the OP. So thoroughly agree I had to use all caps. If McHale was holding the dry erase clip board (for him it was a cute prop he'd surrender to Jeremy Lin if it needed to actually be used), we would have been in OT. McHale and JBB couldn't design an inbound for squat. We would've had to burn a timeout, get 5 seconds called on us (no lie that happened at clutch moments in the McHale-JBB era), we'd get a TO, get the ball to a trapped guy, or get the ball to whoever was on the court who was a 50% FT shooter and in only for an offensive board if needed.

    The final play drawn up last night was a thing of beauty. And I've been noticing some really nice inbound plays under our basket also. I think Bull made the comment that MDA has tons of these. I believe it. It's a nice thing to see, cause that was one major sore spot for me over the last few years. We would lose games because of it. Like, lots of games.
     
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    I'm dubious of the claim that McHale was better than we remember at out of bounds plays. He drew up plays to get the ball in the hands of Harden which automatically helps your percentages because of how good Harden is... but the OP is right that D'Antoni's playcalling not only gets the right guy the ball, but also in the right spot and often with several options to get a player the ball in a scoring position. It's no contest - D"Antoni is light years ahead of McHale in that respect. If you have a coach who can get you 3 or 4 really good looks a game on sideline plays alone, then THAT is a real advantage - especially if the players can convert that into 4-6 easy points.
     
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    hmmm....or should I say....HMMMHMM. You don't remember this cfnet blog post by HMMMHMMM on our BLOB Flat Flex

    It's odd, because you posted in the thread that you had seen other nice McHale out of bounds plays that you wanted HMMMMHMM to analyize

    Don't say I don't have a good memory.

    :D:D:p:cool:

    And this is just one of McHale's SLOB/BLOB plays. With a huge amount of options....watch whole video

    ClutchFans: Rockets Playbook: The Primary Baseline Out of Bounds Set
    By Jonas Iwanus -- HMMMHMM
     
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    in 2014/15 we were 2nd or 3rd on both defense and offense, and the net result was in first by a very long way. That and Harden's absurd end game percentages were the reason we somehow came 2nd with injuries galore and such a small overall net +ve.
     
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    I'm not an Apple, and you don't know what a BLOB is if it hit you in the face.

    But HMMMMHMM's video above with lengthy photo diagram article that Clutch posted on the front page of clutchfans, might help you.

    I'll give you the tl:dr version.

    The play is actually an entire motion offense (The Flex) compressed down to the court-size of baseline to FT line extended, with the extraordinary threat of starting under the basket vs having the 5 in high post. You arguably don't even require a second "play", although McHale did.
     
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    .598 winning percentage (best in rockets history). Check the scoreboard please.
     
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    McHale should have converted that bob flex into an entire offense. It was nice to watch.
     
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    Yet another person in this thread ignoring HMMMHMM's awesome video breakdown (above) of McHale's Flex Offense from baseline out of bounds.

    Can y'all even appreciate that video is showing you a motion offense.
     
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    Just found a thread I started on this back in January 2015. At that point, I didn't realize HMMMHMM had already done the video montage of two years before. This is a different play....at a very crucial point in a very close game vs Dallas. This play pretty much won the game for us.

    Watch...you might have to pause to see the initial set...right after "The Cold Blooded Three by Josh Smith"



    Here is the link to the thread and some responses.
    McHale's Inbounds Plays

     
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    Morey analytics also showed the success of ATO plays in 2013

     
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    I dont know. I dont see HMMMMMMMM OR OHMMMS videos. Dude is a troll

    Same troll who created the James Harden defensive juggernaut 12 min video which went viral.

    I dont give views and clicks to trolls.
     
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    Here's another thread from later in 2015 that confirmed my Jan 2015 one.

    PPP after a timeouts vs half-court offense.

    [​IMG]

     
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    HMMMHMM's video was posted by Clutch on the front page of ClutchFans. His name is Jonas Iwanus. You are mistaking him with OHMMMs...whom I think was banned.

    It's all there in my post above. geez dude. Are you really that hard-headed to deny the ClutchFans frontpage video....or just trolling me.
     
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    Goddangit HP and Goddang internet with its immortal record!

    I'll have a smarter rebuttal tomorrow when I'm filled with less candy and wine. But ATO doesn't tell you everything. Harden made McHale look good a lot of the times, and ATO in the clutch final seconds of a game is where McHale really struggled because everyone knew where it was going to.
     
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