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New York Times: Hillary Clinton illegally used private email for all State Dept. business

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  1. TheresTheDagger

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    Perhaps because they just discovered the information? You're stating we the american public don't have the right to know about this until after the election when its too late? That's rich.

    AGAIN....if Clinton and her aides had simply submitted all the information months ago when they were first under subpoena, there would be no October surprise.

    This is 100% on the Clinton campaign. It couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.
     
  2. Commodore

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    the FBI has been put in an untenable position because of Hillary Clinton and her staff's gross negligence
     
  3. TheresTheDagger

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    And you know this how? Have you seen the emails recently recovered? How do you know the emails aren't actually from Clinton herself?
     
  4. mc mark

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    Comey was getting slammed by his party after his July testimony (not bringing charges against the criminal Clinton) and under tremendous pressure to keep the issue alive before the election.

    I'm not going to jump to conclusions regarding his motives like others in this thread. But it does look like he was trying to save face with his party.
     
  5. shastarocket

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    Yep, this fact stood out immediately. Regardless of how you are voting, we should be pretty damn concerned how inept the effing govt has been when it comes to IT
     
  6. Commodore

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    OK, Bobby, so I emailed this client of mine- we'll call him Billy- Billy currently works in the FBI and has since 1984. He personally thinks that she committed a crime based on what he knows about it. He said he voted for her, though, because he felt Trump would be worse. He lamented the fact that this is the best our country has to offer. And he said he respects Comey a great deal, but there's more behind-the-scenes stuff that he can't say anything about.

    I have to respect this guy- he's been my client for over 6 years off and on, and he's always straightforward with me; plus, he has a TS / SCI Clearance and is certified by the FBI in over 10 areas of expertise. He just couldn't reveal anything except, "Based on what I know, she broke the law." So, you're right. I voted for a criminal. Like I did in 2000 and 2004. Well, I look at it this way- if they find something where they can indict her, and she has to resign, I will have voted for Tim Kaine. There's my justification.
     
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  8. Bobbythegreat

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    Thanks for the post. If I were to have voted, and I voted for one of the 2 major parties, I'd have voted for Clinton too. I was never trying to say that you shouldn't vote for Clinton due to her breaking the law, I was just pointing out that she did break the law and would have been indicted if not for her political connections. Having been in the intelligence community in the past, mishandling classified information is kind of a big deal to me given that it's something that would have gotten be thrown in jail for a long time had I done what Clinton did.

    I think this will blow over because there's no way she's going to be impeached for these things. It'll just be another example of justice not being done for political reasons. If by some chance she does get impeached, I think most Democrats would be happy with Tim Kaine at the helm for the rest of the term.....and I'd have voted for Kaine over Trump too if there were no other options.
     
  9. dandorotik

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    Understood. I do owe you a big apology. I should have known. If there's one thing I've learned in this business for the past 17 years, it's that back-room deals, internal politics, and people "getting away with murder" happens quite a bit. I literally have 100s of stories I can recall from clients telling me about stuff like this- of course, you can't put it on their resume, but they are more than willing to open up about it- particularly if it caused them to lose their job unfairly.

    Man, you hate to be a cynic, but..... it is what it is.
     
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  10. TheresTheDagger

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    It's not often I find Trump to be right on things, but he nailed this one.


     
  11. Cohete Rojo

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    The audacity Hillary Clinton has in calling out James Comey to "get it out" is so amazing. Does she not realize this would not be happening if she had just gotten out those 30,000 deleted emails herself? This person is going to be president?

    Holy crap. Either she is brazenly corrupt or bewilderingly naive.
     
  12. dandorotik

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    Of course you didn't read her entire comment. Reading comprehension is your friend.
     
  13. dandorotik

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    Oh come on be honest- could you imagine if she said the opposite- to hide them? Amazing what bias does to people.
     
  14. rocketsjudoka

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    True this will hurt Clinton but my opinion, and I admit it is just opinion, is that I don't think it will. I think Clinton's emails troubles have been factored in by most voters already. This is bad but I don't think it's anything that necessarily wasn't expected out of Clinton. Also the way this is coming out with involving a man as universally reviled as Weiner clever Clinton advisors might see a way of spinning this.

    At the same time I fully expect Trump to do something further that will end up stealing the spotlight back to him. I was talking to some friends last night that if I was Trump's campaign advisors I would lock him up in a Faraday cage until the election so he couldn't talk or tweet. Trump just doesn't seem built to not be the subject of attention and if Clinton starts dominating the news cycle, even negatively, I expect him to do something that draws attention to himself.
    You raise a good point and I'm mystified why he chose not to follow procedure. I will admit I haven't had enough time to follow this story to understand how critical it was for him to follow that. This is why he needs to give much more explanation for why he's doing this and what he thinks the relevance of these emails are. Comey has generally come off as a straight shooter but this could end up ruining his reputation too.
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    Agreed that she's in a no win situation.
     
  16. Amiga

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    There isn't any positive or necessary spinning of this IMO. It is exactly what it is - more emails with no idea what they are about and it will remain that way until after the election. The news will move on by Tuesday. But Clinton could use it to get her supporters the extra push to go vote and don't take the election as a sure thing. In a way, there is a real danger for the Clinton camp when a win was such a sure thing because it can reduce turnout on her side. Add to that the message Trump camp has been giving - it's rigged and we are actually winning. Trump supporters are not going to sit it out (and as you have seen, some will vote twice ;)). So the only positive I can see for Clinton is to use this as extra motivation to get her supporters to go vote and not take the election lightly or as a sure win.

    I still give him the benefit of the doubt. But it doesn't really matter. He got himself into a mess, and it was unnecessary, if indeed unintended.
     
  17. Space Ghost

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    Yes, lets hope they come out after the election. If she is elected and there is anything of significance, congress will hound her with an impeachment.
     
  18. Cohete Rojo

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    We are all bias. However, unlike myself, not everyone is impartial. Clinton brought this upon herself.

    She is the Richard Nixon of Democrats.
     
  19. dandorotik

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    There is bias, and there is bias. Donald Trump apologized for his remarks on the tape- I didn't criticize his apology, just his remarks. Again, it's one thing to criticize the crime, but to criticize the response, which to me sounds like someone who isn't afraid to deal with the consequences- and of which any other response would invite even more suspicion- that smacks of unreasonable bias.

    Again, could you imagine if she said, "Those were my private emails and they should not be revealed to the public?" Which, BTW, she kinda could say, if you think about it- Any reasonable person would conclude that she would face a RIDICULOUS amount of criticism.

    Again, I've criticized both these candidates, but you can't be 100% all good / all bad when it comes to both of them. Then you're not thinking things through clearly.
     
  20. dandorotik

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    I think the more apt comparison would be George W. Bush. Didn't his administration also delete a bunch of emails- or am I thinking of someone else? BTW, for all we know, maybe they would have found Nixon innocent. We'll never know b/c he resigned.
     

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