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Bombshell report on Trump taxes sends GOP nominee reeling

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by CometsWin, Oct 2, 2016.

  1. Amiga

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    Loyal Trump supporters of course wouldn't care about this or about almost anything Trump does. The question on impact of this isn't about them. It's about independent and conservative on the fence.
     
  2. Invisible Fan

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    As long as he doesn't man up and show his cream puff tax returns, he'll bleed on it with more guesses and leaks.

    Drip


    Drip



    Drip
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    Ironically, every one of the founders of those companies you listed are ACTUALLY self made billionaires or former billionaires(Charles Flint has been dead for a while) who used their transcendent technical knowledge to actually advance the world. Comparing those pioneers to ****ing Donald 'my biggest accomplishment in life is being born into a family worth 300 million and now I'm a glorified rent collector and tv personality' Trump is asinine.
     
  4. Dei

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    I'm about to go out but @txtony and @Invisible Fan are trying to strike a narrative with insults and trite comments like typical liberals. No care to actually debate points on the table.

    Laughable.
     
  5. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    It's telling that you have to explain to the Trumpanzees why Trump losing a billion dollars and not paying taxes for 20 years is significant. The Trump idiocracy is like a virus of stupid.
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    You just made a point with an equivalency between Trump (in essence a glorified rent collector) to the world's most innovative tech companies who are more prone to failed business ventures as new tech has far more inherent risk than being a ****ing rent collector. There is no point in having a rational discussion with such a **** narrative to begin with.
     
  7. Dei

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    Wasn't really the point of that post. The topic was business failures and tax avoidance but I will say he had a higher leg up than the other people but he did make himself billions and striked a different direction from his dad who built outside Manhattan.
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    Your father being worth 300 million isn't just a leg up buddy. I thought I had a leg up with a father with a computer engineering profession and an average annual income of $150,000. That's a 'leg up'. Your father being worth more than a quarter billion is called "having it made".
     
  9. Invisible Fan

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    I'll let you in on the joke and spell out why your torturous reasoning falls flat.

    The only reason Trump is in political trouble is because he won't release his tax returns. There's really no legit excuse not to besides Trump being worried and anxious over what other people will think about him.

    Your master businessman can't handle the weight of public scrutiny.
     
  10. okierock

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    Which one are you referring to?

    I mean you don't believe that the Republican Party is full of rich white Devils do you?
     
  11. CometsWin

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    This is the actual NYT article, won't let me post all of it.



    Donald Trump Tax Records Show He Could Have Avoided Taxes for Nearly Two Decades, The Times Found
      • The $916 million loss certainly could have eliminated any federal income taxes Mr. Trump otherwise would have owed on the $50,000 to $100,000 he was paid for each episode of “The Apprentice,” or the roughly $45 million he was paid between 1995 and 2009 when he was chairman or chief executive of the publicly traded company he created to assume ownership of his troubled Atlantic City casinos. Ordinary investors in the new company, meanwhile, saw the value of their shares plunge to 17 cents from $35.50, while scores of contractors went unpaid for work on Mr. Trump’s casinos and casino bondholders received pennies on the dollar.

        “He has a vast benefit from his destruction” in the early 1990s, said one of the experts, Joel Rosenfeld, an assistant professor at New York University’s Schack Institute of Real Estate. Mr. Rosenfeld offered this description of what he would advise a client who came to him with a tax return like Mr. Trump’s: “Do you realize you can create $916 million in income without paying a nickel in taxes?”

        Mr. Trump declined to comment on the documents. Instead, the campaign released a statement that neither challenged nor confirmed the $916 million loss.

        “Mr. Trump is a highly-skilled businessman who has a fiduciary responsibility to his business, his family and his employees to pay no more tax than legally required,” the statement said. “That being said, Mr. Trump has paid hundreds of millions of dollars in property taxes, sales and excise taxes, real estate taxes, city taxes, state taxes, employee taxes and federal taxes.”

        The statement continued, “Mr. Trump knows the tax code far better than anyone who has ever run for President and he is the only one that knows how to fix it.”

        Separately, a lawyer for Mr. Trump, Marc E. Kasowitz, emailed a letter to The Times arguing that publication of the records is illegal because Mr. Trump has not authorized the disclosure of any of his tax returns. Mr. Kasowitz threatened “prompt initiation of appropriate legal action.”

    But the most important revelation from the 1995 tax documents is just how much Mr. Trump may have benefited from a tax provision that is particularly prized by America’s dynastic families, which, like the Trumps, hold their wealth inside byzantine networks of partnerships, limited liability companies and S corporations.

    The provision, known as net operating loss, or N.O.L., allows a dizzying array of deductions, business expenses, real estate depreciation, losses from the sale of business assets and even operating losses to flow from the balance sheets of those partnerships, limited liability companies and S corporations onto the personal tax returns of men like Mr. Trump.
    In turn, those losses can be used to cancel out an equivalent amount of taxable income from, say, book royalties or branding deals.

    Better still, if the losses are big enough, they can cancel out taxable income earned in other years. Under I.R.S. rules in 1995, net operating losses could be used to wipe out taxable income earned in the three years before and the 15 years after the loss. (The effect of net operating losses on state income taxes varies, depending on each state’s tax regime.)

    The tax experts consulted by The Times said the $916 million net operating loss declared by Mr. Trump in 1995 almost certainly included large net operating losses carried forward from the early 1990s, when most of Mr. Trump’s key holdings were hemorrhaging money. Indeed, by 1990, his entire business empire was on the verge of collapse. In a few short years, he had amassed $3.4 billion in debt — personally guaranteeing $832 million of it — to assemble a portfolio that included three casinos and a hotel in Atlantic City, the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan, an airline and a huge yacht.

    Reports that year by New Jersey casino regulators gave glimpses of the balance sheet carnage. The Trump Taj Mahal casino reported a $25.5 million net loss during its first six months of 1990; the Trump’s Castle casino lost $43.5 million for the year. His airline, Trump Shuttle, lost $34.5 million during just the first six months of that year.

    “Simply put, the organization is in dire financial straits,” the casino regulators concluded.

    Reports by New Jersey’s casino regulators strongly suggested that Mr. Trump had claimed large net operating losses on his taxes in the early 1990s. Their reports, for example, revealed that Mr. Trump had carried forward net operating losses in both 1991 and 1993. What’s more, the reports said the losses he claimed were large enough to virtually cancel out any taxes he might owe on the millions of dollars of debt that was being forgiven by his creditors. (The I.R.S. considers forgiven debt to be taxable income.)

    But crucially, the casino regulators redacted the precise size of the net operating losses in the public versions of their reports. Two former New Jersey officials, who were privy to the unredacted documents, could not recall the precise size of the numbers, but said they were substantial.

    Politico, which previously reported that Mr. Trump most likely paid no income taxes in 1991 and 1993 based on the casino commission’s description of his net operating losses, asked Mr. Trump to comment. “Welcome to the real estate business,” he replied in an email.

    Now, thanks to Mr. Trump’s 1995 tax records, the degree to which he spun all those years of red ink into tax write-off gold may finally be apparent.

    Mr. Mitnick, the lawyer and accountant, was the person Mr. Trump leaned on most to do the spinning. Mr. Mitnick worked for a small Long Island accounting firm that specialized in handling tax issues for wealthy New York real estate families. He had long handled tax matters for Mr. Trump’s father, Fred C. Trump, and he said he began doing Donald Trump’s taxes after Mr. Trump turned 18.

    In an interview on Wednesday, Mr. Mitnick said he could not divulge details of Mr. Trump’s finances without Mr. Trump’s consent. But he did talk about Mr. Trump’s approaches to taxes, and he contrasted Fred Trump’s attention to detail with what he described as Mr. Trump’s brash and undisciplined style. He recalled, for example, that when Donald and Ivana Trump came in each year to sign their tax forms, it was almost always Ivana who asked more questions.
     
  12. Aceshigh7

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    The left is so eager to find any "gotcha" they think can spin into bringing down Trump.

    This is a non-story.

    It's well known that his businesses got their asses kicked in the early and mid-90's before recovering.

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with claiming a loss and minimizing your tax bill to the fullest extent allowed by law.

    Businessmen take risks, businesses hit rough patches. What was Hillary doing while Trump was running his businesses, employing people, and taking risks? She was sucking at the government nipple, something she has been doing for the last 30 years.

    The same people that are aghast at the idea of Trump taking advantage of the tax code to minimize his tax bill have absolutely no problem doing the same thing themselves. I bet they are not forgoing their child tax credits or any of the other deductions they're eligible for.

    Hypocrites. Going to make it even sweeter on November 8th when this man you hate so much wins the election despite all your conniving attempts to prevent it.
     
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  13. fchowd0311

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    I think 99.9% of the earth's population is capable of employing people if they had a father worth a quarter of a billion dollars.


    I think I would be able to? You? I guess that means we are qualified to be president. High five!

    Taking risks? You mean to the point where you bank lenders need to baby sit your daily expenditures because you absolutely suck at managing a budget?
     
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  14. Invisible Fan

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    Trumps defenders are eager to assume that he's the only "successful" businessman to run for office in the last 50 years while the others never had to deal with capital losses and gains.

    Correct in the sense that he's the only the only "successful" businessman not to turn over his tax returns for the public record.
     
  15. JayGoogle

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    Lots of Trumpsters don't care about his business history they are just worried about brown people in 'their' country. So talking to them about this is really pointless, because they don't care. It's easy for them to look at this and shrug it off, it's not their real issue.

    Remember when it seemed like he was going to back off his whole wall idea? Now that actually irked his base.
     
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    Yup. The entire narrative that his supporters are supporting him because this country needs a 'savvy business man' as commander and chief is absolute hoar ****. There are thousands of more savvy self made businessmen out there that actually created a business from their own merit rather than being a glorified rent-collector for their quarter of billion dollar father.

    No, they like Trump because 'he speaks from the hip' which is basically a euphemism for "blaming the 'other' for everything".
     
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  17. CometsWin

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    So his whole life has consisted of exploiting tax loopholes, offshoring jobs, paying off politicians, and staying within the gray areas of law to profit financially and yet he's b****ed this entire campaign about the things he's done his entire life. Mkay. He's definitely the only one that can fix these things because he's been a rampant abuser of the things he's allegedly going to fix. Like giving the worst convict in prison the keys to the prison. Sounds legit.
     
  18. Dei

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    Private citizen man. If you're going to complain about him doing that, you should throw away your iPhone because Apple moved manufacturing to China. He's already ahead most of these guys for at least calling these practices out.
     
  19. Dei

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    Go read and address all my other posts buddy. Stop doing selective reading. I already addressed this:

     
  20. LosPollosHermanos

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    trump supporters have **** for brains
     

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