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Slojoj Zizek wrote a new book about the refugee crisis

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Deji McGever, Sep 10, 2016.

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  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Culture and Religion are not synonymous. If someone believes that burning a koran should be met with death, they should not be let into this country - anyone who does not believe in the bill of rights as the supreme law of the land should not be allowed into the U.S.

    That's the difference between the the U.S. and Europe. We vet the refugees to make sure they will be compatible in America because we don't assume just because someone is a Muslim it means they are incompatible. This is why Muslim immigrants in the U.S. don't commit terrorist attacks like they do in Europe.

    I know many Muslims who are religious and pray frequently to Allah and immigrated here and treat their wives well and are not backwards in anyway.

    The problem isn't that Muslims can't be integrated, it's that backwards people can't be integrated. You say the two are synonymous and that's where we disagree.
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    The difference between the US and Europe is that we have this thing called the Atlantic Ocean between our coast and the Middle East. We as Americans have the luxury of being more selective with who we bring in.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    What about believing in the death penalty for apostasy, and in criminal sanctions against homosexuals, and in putting your wife into a mobile jail called niqab or burka?

    Boston bombers. Orlando night club shooting.

    That is anecdotal evidence that means very little.

    Don't put words in my mouth. I did not say that Muslims can't ever be integrated.

    I AM saying that the ideology of Islam is backwards, dangerous and totally interwoven with the backward culture in the Middle East and elsewhere. It is the very reason their culture is so backward.
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    Like I said before, Islam is nothing more than a snapshot of 7th century Middle Eastern cultural norms transplanted into modern times.
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    Yes, but New Yorker is disingenuously acting like Islam has nothing to do with the culture there.
     
  6. Dei

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    So, pray tell, what do you people suggest be done to the people who instituted the mass migration of hundreds of thousands of migrants from the Middle East and Africa to Europe?
     
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  8. Exiled

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    in house cleaning has to be done first ,one person at a time, this guy who identify him self as German but has dark hair should be subjected to DNA test before deportation, the guy who identify him self as an atheist xMuslim , as precautionary measures he should be deported too ,since its more like of a snapshot from the 6th century. nonetheless, you aligned your self with the neoNazi movement on different occasions ,so you should be in some isolation camp.


    but before that , Zizek him self requested other to take what he says ironically not literally. so this should be sorted out before taking further action
     
  9. Dei

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    lol like how?

    But, seriously, I'm talking about the politicians who instituted the policies for mass-migration, not the migrants. The migrants should be deported obviously.

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    1-Syria
    2-Afghanistan
    3-Iraq

    Iranian sectarian agenda +a combination of Bush aggressive action and Obama passive non action policies pretty much behind it . people fears to be killed are much greater than not finding food or at least 90% of it .

    notice also , those who fled places like Iraq,Syria in fear of religious prosecution , face the same fate in much milder way of-course.


    lets hope a competent president like Trump can trace the grass roots of this social-demographic dilemma and fix it
     
  11. Dei

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    I know the ME is ****ed up but why are they in Europe? Why did they let them in? That's all I'm asking.
     
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    And why does Saudi Arabia not let them in? And why do they not want to go there?
     
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    natives in Australia and N/S America asking them self this Question to this day,so i understand your concerns. . if humans stayed where their natural habitats is, all humans would 'd stayed in Ethiopia . as of why they let them in : humanitarian causes, some nations are just civil plain and simple .

    'AroundTheWorld: And why does Saudi Arabia not let them in? And why do they not want to go there?"

    they should had done more. technically they have zero (refuge) but they 'v granted 750,000 a temporary entree to those who have (an existed relative there in first place), sorta of a security measures since they are in proxy war with Assad/Iran /ISIS .but they pay most of the money pledged to refugee camps out there in Jordan/Turkey/Lebanon.


    but more importantly , pushing Syrians out of their boarder has been a strategy of war. with less than 10% of pro-Asad supporter , they need to vacuum as many as possible outside of Syria. the 5 million+ refugees means less hassle to deal with . this why they bombed every single civil target to ensure no one come back


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  14. Dei

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    At the scale of hundreds of thousands whereby it's impossible for them to assimilate into society, that's just not feasible. They'd destroy the host nation.

    I'm all for humanitarian aid for them back in their home countries but saying that Europe has a responsibility to take them all in is absolutely idiotic. And why don't those Syrians fight for their country?
     
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    It was convenient for white Europeans to find a whole new continent for themselves when they were persecuted by the Church of England and the Catholic church AMIRITE!?!?!


    They can have a desire to escape a **** situation. But Muslim Arabs... Naw, they don't have the feelings to feel desperate.

























    Piece of ****. Probably one of the few posters on here where I wouldn't have any qualms saying it to your face.
     
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    Have you ever been in a place when it is being rocketed and/or bombed? I've been pretty upset when it has happened to me, but I'm pretty no one has ever accused me of allowing it to happen because I wasn't fighting sufficiently to make it stop.
     
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    The question isn't whether or not they have the right to apply for asylum. Obviously, they do.

    But to say they have a right to just waltz into Europe is incorrect. Europe has a right to impose a cap on the number of people they want to let in.

    And you're making all these faulty analogies with European colonization. Obviously, the situation then is not the same. The values system was not the same. At the time, colonization was in a sense acceptable. But we've moved since past that. What you're doing is just another white shaming.

    The problem in Europe is that they let hundreds of thousands of refugees, if you can even call them all that, in. Some are economic migrants. Most are young men. There's no way to verify their country of origin. All they have to do is lose their passports and say they're from Syria.

    They don't share the same values as Western society. It takes a toll on social cohesion and services not to mention would forever change the social and cultural make-up of the host country.

    That's the kind of change that was imposed to these countries by the leftists, who by the way have been described by former Soviet officials as being very much like communists. So, like I said before, these people should just go. There's no point listening to them anymore, even after they recognize their mistakes.

    I'm not accusing you of allowing it to happen, I'm accusing you of simply running away.
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    What's your war experience?
     
  19. Dei

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    Zero.
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    Good. Now I think you ought to shut your ****ing mouth about telling others what to do and what not to do during a wartime situation.
     

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