Donatas Motiejunas now a restricted free agent, no qualifying offer for Terrence Jones

I am not. I just don't see it as comparable as you do. DMo has had 4 years to show what he is made of and has been injured severely enough to miss significant NBA time and even his own national team. DMo was traded and it was rescinded which tanked his value amongst all the big money this off season.

 

Well that is what you are thinking, and imagining. Some of us see it differently.

DD

 

Are we even under the same CBA since Carl Landry

Rocket River
seems like decades ago *grin*

 

I didn't imagine Detroit rescinding the trade. I mean we just picked up Eric Gordon with his knee injuries while DMo is still waiting.

 

Yes yes, it is ok to disagree Dmoney- we are all reading the tea leaves and coming up with different conclusions. I think you will find that is ok.

DD

 

Ugh well I'm not a doctor but I do know that a vital part of your back is your spinal column which is basically an extension of your brain. I'll go on a limb and say that doctors will treat back injuries as more serious than injuries to your limbs.... but what do I know.

Knee injuries and Basketball go hand in hand, and have ruined many careers in basketball and sports alike. I don't think anyone is denying that.

However the D-Mo fans here trying to convince themselves and others that they know for a fact that D-Mo's injury isn't serious, and isn't taken very serious by teams and their doctors is insane. Not sure why you guys are so invested in proving he's healthy.

Hopefully he does come back this year, and prove everyone wrong, and the D-Mo's SuperBack fans right though.

.............

Regarding what I expect these next few weeks -

-around Media day I think there will be a formal threat to sign the QO (which probably has been done already behind closed doors)
-Someone will come in and offer a more competitive offer outside of Houston due to uncertainty with their front line (teams will have some injuries in pre-camp and camp.. also young bigs might not look ready for minutes)
-Morey & Co. will either bump up their offer to keep him, or they let him walk.

The average rate in his class this offseason looks to still be close to 3 years 10 million per. If its lower than that I hope the Rockets match. I think with the money still left out there, someone will come up close to that even with the injury concerns. Kind of seems that the Rockets in this climate have been comfortable giving role players the Corey Brewer/Pat Bev level of contract that they think is good team value. You'd have to think that's where there offer is probably going to land if they have it their way. D-Mo is probably still waiting on that offer closer to 10 mil per. He needs a team to find out that they have a significant hole in their front line along with salary cap space to get that offer (and Denver trading Laverne is interesting). Obviously they think that team might still be out there.

Couple more weeks till media day so we'll just have to wait and see. I think that's when we will see something finally happen.

 

I think the R in the RFA is the biggest issue here - yes the back is an issue too, but being restricted is the key.

It is just like Carl Landry - teams may like him but not enough to make a HUGE offer, and yes, maybe some of that is because of his back issue.

And I have said all along I think he signs the QO.

DD

 

With two knees replaced and 6 ops on the spinal column I can safely aver that neither knee nor back injuries are good. I went nearly 30 years between 2nd and 3rd back ops and participated in sports on a national and championship level. When the knees (and feet) went so, too, did the sports. They, the feet and knees, were the medically attributed causes of ensuing spinal procedures.

DMo knows what his back is because his doc knows. And, so too, DM the GM knows. The insurance provider for DMo's putative new contract knows, also!

 

It's not "the key" because there isn't much interest in him. And the back injury isn't a matter of "imagining things differently" as you said in another post. Back injuries are serious and many are for life. I have one of those. He didn't pass the physical in DET because of back issues. They're not the same as knees or anything else. They're serious, often chronic issues. D-Mo could be done for all we know no matter how hard he works to come back. The (R) isn't nearly as important as the injury. Restricted FA's get offers all the time. If he gets a high offer I highly doubt we'll match. We don't know what's going to happen with his back either.

Being restricted actually isn't an issue; it's his back that's the key. Otherwise he'd be getting public offers like virtually every other RFA in history.

 

From what I have heard and has been said about the back he is healthy.

Many come back from worse back problems, like Dwight Howard, or Ryan Anderson and have long productive careers, Dmo had a very minor procedure, and yes, it can take time to get over it, especially mentally.

I don't believe the back is as big of an issue as the R, others do, it is ok to disagree.

DD

 

Well said DD.

 

Dwight is a shell of his Orlando self, Ryan Anderson's shooting is still there but the little athleticism that he had is almost gone.

If those two are your best examples, I am not too optimistic about other players.

 

We just gave Ryan Anderson 80m dollars - if he is a shell of himself, ugh.

DD

 

My perception with Landry though is that cap space wasn't nearly as abundant then, so it was a bigger deal for a team to make the offer and tie up the cap space. With the cap so crazy and garbage players getting decent money just to use up space, I would have expected some team to throw out some offer.

 

In a contract widely panned by analysts.

Dwights back injury was serious to the point of not walking for months iirc. Dmo was back on the bench in Street clothes pretty soon after.

Who knows, though? I doubt SVG would just pull a trade for no reason.

 

The difference between minor surgery and major? Minor is what is performed on you; major is what is performed on me.

Old medical adage: 'The operation was a success, but the patient died.' Your statement has no credibility, sorry.

 

That is not true about Ryan Anderson. You have it backwards. He didn't lose athleticism. And his shot hasn't been quite as good the past 2 years as it was before... although he has improved his shot over the past 2 years and is getting back his shot to where it was previously.

Here you go... from this past season:






Same decent athleticism for a big guy he's always had.

 

Why has DMo stayed in Vancouver (where he did back rehab during the All-Star weekend) for 13 (or more) days?

 

I heard DMo's back was going to be a maintenance thing that should flare up occasionally, much like JJ Reddick's issue.

 

Why would anybody give a ? three years of guaranteed money? I don't get it. He should have to work out or play some at a high level to demonstrate he truly is healthy. I'd want to see it before I just pass out 3 years of guaranteed money. I find it bizarre that that is never the expectation.