[#BeMoreLikeEurope] France Wants to Ban the Burkini

There are a few elements that you have to take into account in this situation:
Most of the Cities that have taken on this decision are in the PACA region (region of 5-6 departments in south East of France) which has been voting Front National (extreme right political party) for many years. Also the latest terrorist attack in our country was on the Promenade des anglais in Cannes (on our own independence day!), which have made people a bit nervous and itchy on display of religious outwear, especially during tourist season.

 

BTW as a french man from catholic heritage i'm against the extreme measures that have been taken regarding the burkini. Everybody should live their religion as they which, as long as it doesn't step on the freedom of your neighbour.

Also, there seems to be a lot of confusion in the D&D between Islam and Islamistes who interpret to their own interest the Coran.

 

I don't think you really understand the point about the melting pot. In entering the USA, you come as you are. When you enter France, you are making a different type of agreement, one where you are supposed to be leaving your old culture and identity behind to become French.

Foreign Legion is actually a great example of the difference. When you join the French foreign legion they actually throw away your old identity and give you a new French one. They even give you a new French name that you have to use.

France has always let people into 'France métropolitaine' with the idea that you are going to become French. Officially, they don't even recognize you as an immigrant. Once in, you are French.

In practical terms, they have failed to make this work and immigrants cling to their old identities. But when you enter France, you are essentially agreeing to give all that up and start eating baguettes and coq au vin, watch Jerry Lewis movies and start complaining about 'les rosbifs' from England and their gauche behavior. In the USA, if enough people speak Spanish, or Vietnamese, or whatever, they print up government documents in Spanish or Vietnamese. In France, the documents come in French and only French. If you don't speak French, you are SOL.

It's just that the immigrants agree to this, and then renege on their part of the agreement.

The deal you make to move intro la Métropole is different than the deal you agree to in moving to the USA.

The French are fiercely protective of their culture, legislating protectionist laws against things like American movies and American fast food and English linguistic creep. If you own a radio station, 40% of the songs you play are required by law to be French songs. If you own a movie theater, a specific percentage of the movies you show are required to be French movies.

 

The best way to end Islam in the West is to expose it to Western culture. It takes time (a generation or two) but do you really think that women that are second or third generation are going to want to wear black trash bags over their entire bodies in public and especially on the warm beach? Absolutely not... The brainwashing will be less intrusive in a generation and Muslim women will not tolerate being treated worse than cattle by a primitive uneducated tribal religion.

A trash bag ban does nothing but push extremist growth and slow down assimilation in the long run.

It is obvious that the West is growing tired of Islam and the strict followers of the faith. Rather than lash out with passive aggressive laws; simply choose immigrants more carefully or slow immigration for Muslim nations.

 

What practical need is there for a semi-automatic rifle with a 30 round magazine for a suburban resident?

 

I have had feminist tell me that is what a Wedding Ring is. . . . . .

Rocket River

 

It seems there is quite a bit of gray area between burkini and bikini. What about a one piece with the skirt-thingy? What if about wearing shorts? That is all still acceptable I assume.

I see both sides of this but I can't help but get my hackles up when I see religious indoctrination so deeply rooted that its victims cling to their own oppression.

 

Come on, man. You know this. It's to stop the bad guy with a semi-automatic rifle with a 30 round mag.

 

It just boogles my mind that people can accept a law enforcement entity to go around beaches and tell women to take off clothing. That's just insane.

The ****ing beach is not the time and place to defeat Islamic misogyny. This is ****ing stupid.

 

It is stupid and it won't be effective either.

Not that much different than the "moral squads" harassing women in the Middle East.

France is odd.

 

The French just said that type of clothing is not quintissentially French and is offensive to their culture, what's your problem? They don't want it.

 

Islam has been exposed to western culture for a long time....

Hell, Houston has been exposed to Islam for some time as I never looked twice at the mosque down the road from me. No one did until 9/11 happened....

Perhaps Islam is tired of the West bossing around the Middle East....

 

What is quintissently French? Hard bread and arm pit hair?

 

It really is. It's a paradoxical magical land where its core principle is 'liberty', to the point where it's people claim to be the first to practice it, yet ridiculous **** like this somehow gets passed through

 

No disrespect but that is quite an arrogant assumption
you basically saying these women are too stupid to know their own mind . . .. so its ok for the state/someone else. . . to make it up for them.

How is than any different than someone 'forcing' them into a Burka

Rocket River

 

I think people are basically just upset that enforcing your culture on others is un-American....it's why we had someone talking (unintentionally hilariously) about how the French doing this is against the first amendment at one point. Americans can't help but project their cultural norms on others.....even if that is telling people not to project their cultural norms on others.

 

Your face is insulting to what is "french" and they should jail you if you ever step foot there.