yeah i am literally pissed at Kobe over this my son was/is/? the biggest Kobe fan in the world he just doens't know what to think right now
I am the farthest thing from a Kobe apologist...don't like him, don't like the Lakers, thin he's overrated, etc... ...BUT...in the interests of fairness...we all knew that there was an accusation at the root of this criminal charge, right? And that it involved forcible sexual actions...I don't see how hearing the sordid details make it any more or less likely that he's guilty. On the other hand, I see no reason to assume that the gilr is lying either. We don't know anything more now than we did yesterday other than we apparently have a sense of what the rilr says happened. While it is, if true, disgusting behaviour, the nature of the behaviour has nothing to do with the likelyhood of guilt or innocence. T_J...Why would the Lakers make a decision either way simply because details of the accusation are known? Smokey...what does the wife of the accused have to do with anything? It would make more sense to forcibly rape someone if your wife was not as attractive?
Why didn't she scream? She was afraid that the most popular basketball player in the world was going to kill her? Kobe is damn stupid, but this thing ain't over.
If he palmed it hard enough for her not to speak, there would have been internal damage, plus, she responded, "no" when asked if she was going to tell anyone.
It still could be very intimidating. I don't know who is innocent or guilty here, and I don't think anyone else does either.
AB...I have seen studies that suggest a high percentage of women being raped don't scream. There are various reasons, partly an unwillingness to believe that the action is actually taking place, partly fear...and I think it's a bit easy to offer objective analysis of her options being men, in the clear light of day, and not in the process of being overpowered by someone who is twice your size...about exactly where this person's violence towards will and will not go... Many fear based actions are irrational; a person in a locked room with another person with a gun will almost always try and run when that other person makes it apparent that he/she intends to use the gun on him/her, despite the fact that, at that point, the only LOGICAL response is to try and cover the distance between yourself and the shooter as quick as possible...there is nowhere to run, and distance doesn't stop the shooter from doing what he/she wants, only the victim from offering any sort of defense...This is just an example of the kind of decision which, when looked at in abstract, makes little sense, but is the common one. Not to conclude that Kobe is guilty...just that her not screaming isn't a conclusive or inconsistent piece of the puzzle either way.
Well, Regardless of what happened, I think it will be VERY hard to convict him BEYOND a reasonable doubt. She agreed to some consensual sex...that right there, makes it hard to believe the rest of the story for certain. As a juror, I probably would not convict him.....oh, he may be guilty, but how can you be sure....her word versus his..... DD
Why didn't she scream? She was afraid that the most popular basketball player in the world was going to kill her? If what she said is true, then yeah, at that point, she had every reason to think he might hurt her. She probably didn't expect the most popular basketball player in the world to rape her either, but that illusion was shattered. At that point, my guess would be her thoughts (if she's even thinking clearly) are to do whatever gets her out of that situation with the least possible risk to her safety.
That's the part that sounds weird. She said she had to leave when he put his hand down her panties, and then finally says no at one point when he's already bent her over? Only when the incident was about to end she started to pry his hands off? Why not before? If she took that action, I don't know why she would wait. The part about him telling her to look her in the eyes and promise sounds interesting. I'd like to see the girl cross-examined as well as Kobe, and maybe the bellman too. I wouldn't be surprised if they could find inconsistencies in someone's story eventually.
Not just the Lakers, but the NBA in general. Its bad enough that we hear about players being caught with drugs (MoT, EG, just to name a couple), and some players several times (Damon Stoudamire). Now we have Kobe Bryant, who is accused of rape, and he is allowed to play basketball, its utterly ridiculous. I thought it was ridiculous that David Stern came forward and said he believes that Kobe should play the season. I don't think he should be allowed to play. I know Ruben "Kobe Stopper" Patterson was accused of sexually assaulting his children's nanny, but this is different. This is rape...whether he be innocent or not, this is still a haneous crime, and I truly if anyone else were in that situation they would not be allowed to continue on their job as if nothing were wrong. Hopefully justice will prevail in this situation.
I have to agree with Trader_Jorge, Kobe should be kicked out of the NBA whether or not he is found "guilty" of raping the young woman. At best he assaulted her, so adios amigo. Assault got Sprewell kicked... It's high time for the NBA to be held accountable for the kinds of people they are putting on the court. They should have criminal background checks before they can even enter a draft to set the tone from Day One that thugs and wankstas need not apply.
I haven't seen any account where she agreed to any sex in any form... Kissing...yes from what is known it appears the kissing is the only consensual part gropping is when it appears to have made a turn for the worse
Scream? With all due respect, people who have no experience of rape victim consoling really haven¡¦t much idea how terrifying it is. Most rapists will not hesitate to kill if the victim shows any sign of resistance. You can not scream when a gun is pointed at your head. You can not run when your neck is grabbed by a pair of hands. She has seen her face, she knows who Kobe Bryant is, she can easily identify him. Why should Kobe keep her alive if he's at so much risk of being caught? Her only chance of survival is obeying his command fully. This said, Kobe is innocent till proven guilty.
