Michael Jordan donates $2M to improve police-community relationship

You stopped reading too early so I'll make it easier for you

Sure, there are incidents where the officers are just flat out wrong, in this one mental illness played a part in the civilian not complying with police orders and the officer reacted inappropriately. If those were the only incidents, it wouldn't be a real problem because those are easy to deal with given that the officers involved will be disciplined or fired.

The VAST majority of incidents with cops are relatively mentally healthy people who simply don't comply with police orders or they attempt to flee or attack police. If it wasn't for an incident like that where the civilian was 100% wrong there would have been no "hands up, don't shoot" nonsense. If it wasn't for an incident like that where the civilian was 100% wrong you wouldn't have had the incident that led to "retaliation" murders of police officers in Baton Rouge.

Let's face it, that's the real problem.

 

As to your edit, I can only assume you are trying to reference the Philando Castile incident because your link didn't work. In that case, it depends on exactly how things happened. If they happened exactly as the woman say they did, then it could be a legitimate example of police wrongdoing and the officer should be convicted of voluntary manslaughter.....now if it happened similar to how the officer suggested it happened, then it's an example of someone failing to follow basic instructions with fatal consequences. I think we'll know more once the dash cam video is released.

 

I agree with this. But who pays for it. Jordan's $2m won't go far. That's probably best spent on outreach and get togethers, etc.

It's an interesting idea to consider driver education classes for simple traffic stops. Maybe make them part of deferred adjudication options for drivers wanting to get off on tickets and package with defensive driving courses. Govt would still have to fund creating that course material...which isn't a trivial as it might sound. And I suppose, successful course would have an actual off-duty cop come into the class to explain their role and education in the process. That costs money, too.

 

I think that would be a really good idea, obviously MJ's 2 mil won't do anything nation-wide, but perhaps it could fund seminars in certain local areas and maybe it would entice others to donate similar funds.

I think the driver's ed idea is smart and honestly is one of the more practical things you could teach to high school kids. Have it be a year long course rather than a one semester course as it was when I was in high school and include something teaching how to act when pulled over and a portion of the class teaching kids what their rights are and what their rights aren't. Kids need to know that they don't have a right to disobey lawful orders from an officer during a stop, if the 26 year old teacher from Austin knew that, she would have just left with a speeding ticket. As to funding it, I don't think it would take all that much extra funding if it was done in the classroom and if kids take out of school driver's ed they already pay for it.

 

The "VAST" majority of incidents? Source?

Again, you are blaming the victims. It's on par to blaming a woman for wearing sexy clothes so she gets what she deserves.

People are people. Always will be. You can always expect people to do stupid things. The only legitimate opportunity to impart change is address police training so their MO isn't shoot first.

Do yourself a favor, ask any black man if they've had negative run-ins with police where they felt unfairly targeted. If police go in with the presumption of guilt, they'll find it. We are ALL guilty of something be it an illegal lane change. My co-worker told me he was ticketed for not using his turn signal 150ft prior to his turn. That's a new one on me. I've never met a black man that talked their way out of a ticket. I've known many white people that have.

If you disproportionally badger black people and then treat them rude because you presume they are criminals, bad results will ensue.

Stop blaming black people for getting pulled over. Start asking why are they getting pulled over in the first place.

 

No, it's completely different because a woman who is raped is ACTUALLY a victim, a person that does something stupid and gets themselves arrested is NOT a victim. In fact, it's disrespectful to actual victims to call those idiots who refused to follow basic instructions "victims"

So, you'd be fine if that MO led to more police getting shot? I think it's much more reasonable to suggest that people should simply follow instructions than it is for cops to wait around and find out if they are about to be murdered before responding.

What you might not realize is that cops have to deal with the absolute worst from society on a daily basis and those people don't look any different than you or I so it's impossible to tell which person is just an ******* refusing to do what they are told and which person is going to grab a gun and murder them.

Why? I truly don't care if someone "feels" unfairly targeted. That information would mean literally nothing to me.

Sounds like educating yourself as to the laws of the land might help you out if you truly feel this way. When you break the law, you might get pulled over and you might get a ticket.....so what? Assuming you don't further break the law, it's just a traffic ticket.

I have known black people who have gotten off with warnings, but of course neither my anecdote nor yours is truly relevant.

I do get that the victim mentality is strong in the black community, but that's not anyone else's fault. If you have a persecution complex, it's something you need to work through. No one is "out to get you".

Pulling someone over for breaking the law is not "badgering" them, the fact that you seem to think so kind of invalidates your opinion. If you don't want to get pulled over, know the law and follow it. if you do those 2 things, even if you do get pulled over, it won't be a problem.

LOL, so who should you blame when someone breaks the law and gets pulled over for it? The cop? GTFOH. In the recent Austin case, the woman got pulled over for speeding.....who do you blame for that?

In the example you gave earlier, the person didn't properly use his turn signal.....whose fault is that? It's on you to know the law and to follow it. Educate yourself instead of blaming others for things YOU do.

 

I gave you two examples of victims of police shootings. It took me 30 seconds to find those examples.

Stawman argument. How to you propose teaching everybody to follow instructions? Or you can teach cops how to deal with irrational people. Which one is easier?

Cops voluntarily signed up for the job. They were aware of that the job is dangerous and they must deal with irrational people.

But if they are in fact being unfairly targeted, then your statistics are skewed and don't reflect reality.

I got pulled over 13 times in one year, not one ticket. Educating oneself about the law isn't the issue. The issue is are blacks being targeted differently.

Exactly, because there are no national statistics. But what we DO know, is there are a lot of videos that are being released due to the prevalence of cell phones. At what point do these anecdotal stories paint a story in absence of legitimate stats?

Repeat last paragraph. You cannot provide any statistics to support your statement that "no one is out to get you". It isn't useful to cast blame on who is responsible for the "victim mentality" (as you call it). What is useful is to recognize that people feel that way and address it, be it accurate or not. Because perception is reality. If this issue isn't addressed, then people will get pissed and things will get worse before they get better.

Again I was pulled over 13 times (for not wearing a seat belt on my 1966 Chevy Impala). I had to inform the police of the law that shoulder belts are not required. I knew the law and I still got pulled over repeatedly.

Castile also knew the law which is why he informed the police ...and got shot.

Speeding is not a reason to die.

I'm fairly confident you are being a hypocrite here. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say today you didn't signal every turn you made today 150ft in advance.