I'm starting to feel like Bballholic's fascination with Rubio goes far beyond basketball. Dude must sit around masturbating to Rubio highlight videos.
Ricky Rubio is the classic example of a foreign player that brings nothing much to the table, yet you guys have a sick obsession with him because he's foreign. No thank, I'll stick with Bev
Our team is now coached by MDA who values ball movement tremendously. Rubio is better for our team with MDA coaching us.
We don't need to argue Rubio's talent. His value should be determined based on the league wide need. Some teams have established point guards that are better overall (half the league) - some teams are building around a young point guard (LAL, ORL, ATL, DEN) - others just paid their point guard star money and wouldn't dramatically get better by trading them for Rubio (MIA, MEM, DET). NBA Teams Starting Point Guards Spoiler Eastern Conference Atlantic Division Boston Celtics - Thomas Brooklyn Nets - Lin New York Knicks - Rose/Jennings Philadelphia 76ers - ? Toronto Raptors - Lowry Central Division Chicago Bulls - Rondo Cleveland Cavaliers - Irving Detroit Pistons - Jackson Indiana Pacers - Teague Milwaukee Bucks - MCW/Giannis Southeast Division Atlanta Hawks - Shroeder Charlotte Hornets - Walker Miami Heat - Dragic Orlando Magic - Payton Washington Wizards - Wall Western Conference Southwest Division Dallas Mavericks - Williams Houston Rockets - Beverly Memphis Grizzlies - Conley New Orleans Pelicans - Holiday San Antonio Spurs - Parker Northwest Division Denver Nuggets - Mudiay Minnesota Timberwolves - Rubio Oklahoma City Thunder - Westbrook Portland Trail Blazers - Lillard Utah Jazz - Hill Pacific Division Golden State Warriors - Curry Los Angeles Clippers - Paul Los Angeles Lakers - Russell Phoenix Suns - Knight Sacramento Kings - Collison I'd say the teams whom Rubio would be an upgrade over their current situation: Philadelphia Dallas Houston New Orleans Sacramento Brooklyn Philly is out because I'd struggle to believe they'd value Rubio over a higher draft pick. Sacramento/Dallas/New Orleans/Brooklyn all make more sense than Houston. None run a high speed 3 point driven offense. All three could buy low with better assets than what it would make sense for Houston to give up. Sacramento/Dallas/New Orleans are all fringe playoff teams that all struggle to attract free agents. At this point I'd say Ariza has a higher value to this team that Rubio would given his experience/leadership and shooting ability. Unless Rubio starts publicly denouncing the team and demanding a trade to Houston there's little that makes sense for him to come here. He's a good player - just not the right cirumstances for the Rockets to go for him.
He also values shooting. That said, I'm highly skeptical of D'Antoni. The dude said Harden could average 12-13 assists when even Chris Paul doesn't average that.
we NEED good shooters, not trading anyone that shoots better than Rubio. KJ, Brewer, and some draft pick and or rights to Gentile.
No. MDA did not say Harden could average 12-13 assists. He simply asked a question, "What about getting 12-13 assists?" This is a classic example of taking words and twisting them to suit your own opinion.
post something recent that ties us with rubio. havent heard anything about the rockets going after rubio but i havent checked my rubio to rockets feed in fornever
“He’s an undervalued passer and I think we can exploit that. You know, he averaged 7 or 8 assists last year, I think we’d like to see him get 12 or 13” -DANTONI
“He’s an undervalued passer and I think we can exploit that. You know, he averaged 7 or 8 assists last year, I think we’d like to see him get 12 or 13” This is the quote
Even Steve Nash never averaged 12 assists. Just dumb. Then you considering Harden averaged 29 ppg on .598 TS% and it really makes no sense
Good research, Thanks. I agree shooting is primary need around Harden. Harden is going to get a chance to run the offense for better or for worse. The way I see it, give them a season to see what Harden and MDA can do, then next off season make the adjustments to the roster. If the team offense doesn't click with Harden as the ball handler they can retool the offense to fit his strengths and get a player to fill his weakness.
This is a trade speculation thread. Now we have two dedicated to Rubio What's to prevent a new trend of "What's Griffin's trade value to us". "What's Westbrooks trade value to us" There is a thread for trade speculation talk and who we need to package is a primary topic for that But basketballholic thinks he's above the rules
Harden's problem isn't passing the ball, he has the talent and willingness to execute the offense. Cutting down his DUMB turnovers is the issue. For example; holding the ball too long then getting trapped just to turn the ball over, etc. By eliminating the bad passes (angles in the offense that result in turnovers too frequently) within the offense itself he should be a little more effective in his decision making. Also the addition of better shooters should uptick his assists some. I get where you are coming from with the true point guard mentally of Rubio. (I am a true point guard myself and would love the team to run a offense with one). But there is no signs of Rubio joining us for whatever reason. I think it's because MDA sold Les on Harden being the focal point. Stars score the points and sell the tickets, so Les bought in.
holic's sources confirm that while MDA didn't actually say what holic quoted him as saying, it's what MDA was thinking and meaning to say.
