1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

good read on Cato, Clutch

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by haven, Feb 26, 2001.

  1. haven

    haven Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 1999
    Messages:
    7,945
    Likes Received:
    14
    Crash: I'm not sure he does have all this "talent." I think he may have great physical skills w/o that much skill or even potential for skill.

    I have a Czech friend who's 6'5. He can't play basketball worth a lick, and usually, he's just a really large obstacle on my way to the basket, even though I'm only 5'10. But there have been a couple games where everything have just clicked with him, and he rejected everything I (or anyone else on my team, pretty much) tried to get over him.

    I think Cato's like that. When he has a good game, he's really going to kill you. But most of the time... there just ain't that much there.

    ------------------
    Why is it that everytime BC defeats a major conference opponent, that opponent promptly goes on a losing streak?

    PS. Notre Dame sucks

    [This message has been edited by haven (edited February 26, 2001).]
     
  2. Nolen

    Nolen Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    2,719
    Likes Received:
    1,262

    Dude, if you saw him in the preseason of 99, after the Pippen trade... He was amazing. Consistently amazing, every game of the preseason. Averaged five blocks a game, never blocked fewer than three shots in any game. It was either tie him up right then or risk losing him as a FA that summer.

    Everybody thought he was the gem of the Pippen trade. Damn! Isn't it amazing how little we got in that trade, and we still rebuilt so fast? We got Wiz, Rogers and Cato. What have they done for us lately? The Rockets are awesome.

    BTW, I haven't given up on him yet, either. I still think he can be the answer to our needs at center for the future.



    [This message has been edited by Nolen (edited February 26, 2001).]
     
  3. RocksMillenium

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2000
    Messages:
    10,018
    Likes Received:
    508
    You know the biggest disappointment was seeing Keon Clark, a guy who isn't as talented or athletic as Cato, but close to it, BLOW up the first time he got to Toronto in that Willis deal and in their game against us, and the only thing I thought was "I wish that Cato would just play hard and semi-smart, and he could be doing that!" I guess he just doesn't have the heart and work ethic, but you think a near trade would fire him up like it does most players. On a side note, I like Sir Charles, but he must have had a few to many when he said that Bryce Drew would be better in the long-term then Michael Dickerson and Cuttino Mobley. He must have been trying to fire him up or something, had to be!

    ------------------
    Dream a deadly Dream. . .
     
  4. RocksMillenium

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2000
    Messages:
    10,018
    Likes Received:
    508
    That's not completely true, he did pretty good in college, including being a big part of Iowa States Sweet 16, and near Elite Eight run back in 1997.



    ------------------
    Dream a deadly Dream. . .
     
  5. HOOP-T

    HOOP-T Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2000
    Messages:
    6,053
    Likes Received:
    5
    Keon Clark is extremely athletic and agile, moreso than Cato if I may say so. In addition, Clark can hit a 15 footer, and has nice touch around the hoop. He isn't nearly as limited as Cato is offensively. I am not sure what you are seeing out there. Yes, he is much thinner than Cato, but he is every bit as athletic, and probably quicker than Cato too.

    ------------------
    There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."

    [This message has been edited by HOOP-T (edited February 26, 2001).]
     
  6. TIburon

    TIburon Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2000
    Messages:
    294
    Likes Received:
    0
    I like his defensive abilities, He's not a top offensive center but he can be a good defensive center. With Franchise and the Cat running you have to have a big man who can block/change opponents shots. And thats what Cato is best known for.

    ------------------
     
  7. Heath

    Heath Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2000
    Messages:
    3,884
    Likes Received:
    3
    Excellent Clutch.

    ------------------
    We can reach our destination, but it's still a ways away.
     
  8. RocksMillenium

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2000
    Messages:
    10,018
    Likes Received:
    508
    Well it's easy to say that now but Keon Clark was not doing ANY of that in Denver, or they wouldn't have traded him. I was looking at Clark in Denver, when he was a huge disappointment. He wasn't alway doing that, he's averaging 7 points and about 5 rebounds, and that is actually an IMPROVEMENT over his time in Denver when he was a major flop.


    ------------------
    Dream a deadly Dream. . .

    [This message has been edited by RocksMillenium (edited February 26, 2001).]
     
  9. RocksMillenium

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2000
    Messages:
    10,018
    Likes Received:
    508
    Here is Clark's 3 season in Denver:

    98-99 3.3 points 3.4 rebound 1.1 blocks
    99-00 8.6 points 6.2 rebounds 1.4 blocks
    00-01 6.5 points 5.3 rebounds 1.3 blocks

    Good rebounding stats, but the offensive game and well-rounded game he is showing NOW is not what he was showing in his time in Denver. And Cato is capable of putting up number like that or more IF he worked hard at it and worked on his game. Cato has a 15 foot jumper, he won't use it though. We know he can block shots, and rebound to. That exhibition season a few season's back showed he has the capabilities. He just won't work on it.

    ------------------
    Dream a deadly Dream. . .

    [This message has been edited by RocksMillenium (edited February 26, 2001).]
     
  10. Julie

    Julie Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2000
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    0
    Cato suspected of murder???? I had no idea! How sad but lucky for him they found out it was not him. I found the article today fascinating C.
    http://www.clutchcity.net/feature.cfm?FeatureID=106

    ------------------
    Cynthia in Phoenix? Hakeem not in Houston? Say it aint so!!!
     
  11. haven

    haven Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 1999
    Messages:
    7,945
    Likes Received:
    14
    Cato doesn't have the personal motivation to do something like that [​IMG].

    Honestly, the guy has never performed IN HIS LIFE AT ANY LEVEL. I don't see why so many people expect more from him now.

    ------------------
    Why is it that everytime BC defeats a major conference opponent, that opponent promptly goes on a losing streak?

    PS. Notre Dame sucks
     
  12. ROCKSS

    ROCKSS Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    7,464
    Likes Received:
    7,944
    What blows my mind is that the Rockets gave him such a large contract after a few good games.Please explain this to me [​IMG]

    ------------------
     
  13. Achebe

    Achebe Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 1999
    Messages:
    6,237
    Likes Received:
    3
    If they hadn't opted to extend him, he would have been a FA that next summer.

    Then again, had they not extended him, he would have actually had to play hard the entire year. He might have developed decent habits.

    You win some, you lose more.

    ------------------
     
  14. crash5179

    crash5179 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2000
    Messages:
    16,468
    Likes Received:
    1,297
    While everything in that post is true, I am not willing to give up on Cato yet. Dreams final days may be upon us. If not they are getting close. At some point it would be nice to have a Center with Cato's tallent to take over when he is finally done.

    I know its a big if, but IF Cato can mature, get healthy and learn to play up to his potential then we have one of the top centers in the league and an all star for several years.



    ------------------
     
  15. Achebe

    Achebe Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 1999
    Messages:
    6,237
    Likes Received:
    3
    I think it all depends upon Cat's and Francis' appeals to Cato's work ethic. If they get him in the gym this summer, then everything's cool. If Cato hides w/ CD, then he's not really responsible to the team per se... he's just doing bs. big man coaching.

    Liability is what it takes. [​IMG]

    ------------------
     
  16. Live

    Live Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2000
    Messages:
    2,025
    Likes Received:
    0
    Great article, Clutch.

    Classic case of, as DeNiro(sp?) said in "Bronx Tale", "wasted talent". But he's still young and may turn it around as he matures...

    AS LONG AS IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE!!! [​IMG]

    ------------------
     
  17. HOOP-T

    HOOP-T Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2000
    Messages:
    6,053
    Likes Received:
    5
    I didn't say he was doing it in Denver.....but I could still see then that Clark was the better all around player when compared to Cato.

    You said he was not as athletic and talented as Cato, which is totally untrue. That was my point.

    Cato wasn't doing anything in Portland either, and he still isn't. If I had my choice, Clark would be on Houston's roster. I would have the same opinion then (when Clark was in Denver) as I do now.

    ------------------
    There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."

    [This message has been edited by HOOP-T (edited February 27, 2001).]
     
  18. AstroRocket

    AstroRocket Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 1999
    Messages:
    11,814
    Likes Received:
    458
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Cato average almost 9 points and 6 rebounds in only 24 minutes a game last year? I think when Cato gets onto the court he finds ways to produce. His problem hasn't been desire on the court so much as injuries and foul trouble (limiting his minutes) IMHO.

    ------------------
    The season's halfway over...and I still need that keg of Pepto-Bismol.
     
  19. HOOP-T

    HOOP-T Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2000
    Messages:
    6,053
    Likes Received:
    5
    Yes he did....8.7 points and 6 boards per in 24.3 min. per game. He played 65 games last year.



    ------------------
    There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
     
  20. vj23k

    vj23k Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2000
    Messages:
    5,351
    Likes Received:
    46
    Not to mention about two blocks a game.

    Really not too bad, not worth 6 million dollars a year, but not too bad.

    Just a question, but as a player would you want to sign a long-term contract?

    Just think of being stuck with the new bulls or clippers.

    At most i would sign for 4-5 years.

    I know that many sign for security(in case they get injured)

    ------------------
    Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
     

Share This Page