New York Times: Hillary Clinton illegally used private email for all State Dept. business

Your statement was lousy, and remains awful, because as per usual, you aren't really able to cite any concrete evidence that backs your strongly-held belief - which is notably oblivious of context.

You formed a belief, you are going to stick to it come hell or high water - enjoy yourself on Hamburger hill internet. The rest of us will go on living in the real world that is more complicated and will be entrusted to make decisions.

 

So, she will probably have a different email system when she's President... problem noted, addressed and solved

 

Even the FBI director's statement smacks of desperation. I mean, they searched 60000+ emails and ended up finding 3 that were improperly marked as having confidential info in them. They tried their best to prove she was hacked or exposed to bad actors and failed. Half of the speech is conjecture about what could have happened. "How extremely careless of you to walk in the rain. You could have been struck by lightning! But it's not illegal to walk in the rain."

The pseudo scandal will continue. Meanwhile children are being robbed of their fathers all over America and these wingnuts don't care.

 

His statement wasn't lousy at all. There is plenty enough

You are not a lawyer. If you were you'd know you would never have a case with clear intent.

You HAVE to use circumstantial evidence.

Exculpatory statements. Many individuals tell a story that exculpates them, but that can be proven false in many of its particulars. Such false exculpatory statements are admissible as evidence of consciousness of guilt.

False exculpatory statements are used as evidence of intent

-Clinton said she never sent or received classified information in her email "There is no classified material"
False

-Clinton said nothing was marked classified at the time that she sent or received
False

-Clinton said she only used one device "I thought one device would be simpler"
False

-Clinton said no work related non personal emails were deleted
False

-Clinton said all work related non personal emails were returned
False (because they recovered some of the deleted emails and they were work related/some marked classified)

-Clinton said "There were no security breaches"
Misleading.. while there is indeed no proof there was security breaches, the FBI did conclude it was very likely Clinton has been hacked. They also have statements from people within the Clinton group who thought they were hacked. Clinton was aware of this, so for her to be so adamant as if she is 100% certain is b/s

What is sad is a lot of these classified material were marked in a way that literally risked peoples lives. I wouldn't be surprised if people have been killed by her mishandling. Just more deaths on her hands.

 

Ha, well you'd have to tell it to OCA because their records indicate otherwise.

I'll leave you to the rest of it, Clouseau.

 

SamFisher, I respect you, but you are being really obtuse if you honestly and genuinely have no skepticism that Hillary never knew. It's just plenty of wishful thinking going on here.

Just so you know, even if she did know, I really have no choice do I? It's not like this is going to make me vote for Trump.

 

I don't think you fully understand the seriousness of the situation.

There have been "scandals" in the past which you could call a "psedudo scandal". This was not one. This was a very serious matter.

 

No, it wasn't. Powell and Rice both used private email, Powell on a server over which he had no control at all. Bush and Cheney deleted 22 million emails, 700 times as much as Clinton.

This was a biased, partisan witch hunt, nothing more.

 

There's no evidence that any classified information was ever passed via private emails used by past Secretaries of State and they didn't use a private server without full time security. Not the same at all. This is about mishandling classified information, not just the private use of email.

But of course partisanship causes some people to miss that.

 

Stopped reading your post after this.

 

That's because there was never a witch hunt into their communications.

I am positive if there were they would find something. Clinton sent/recieved 30k emails of which 121 were classified and even less critically top secret (7 email chains).

To me, what troubles me is not that Clinton missed a few email threads that should have been classified in here carelessness - what bothers me is that she lied.

I am not happy with how she handled this. Her lying to me was just inexcusably stupid. All she had to do is say at the beginning I thought it would be ok but I messed up when it came to this - I am sorry. And that would have been the end.

Instead she got all defensive and turned it into a bigger issue than it had to be.

 

Suggesting that there was a witch hunt implies that there was no reason for it...after all there's no such thing as witches. That's the furthest thing from the truth. In this instance there was evidence that the Secretary of State committed multiple felonies while in office, so they looked into it.....you know, their job.

The FBI determined that there was evidence that she in fact did commit multiple felonies but concluded that no prosecutor would take the case.

 

yes. Her transgressions have already been documented, and you were more than willing to convict Trump for things he hadn't even done yet, much less been convicted of. So YOU set the bar for that, not me.

While not holding Hillary accountable for the laws she already broke.

Sure thing, newbs.

 

Great news for Trump.

 

Good for you! (meant seriously). What I have been baffled by is how few Hillary supporters have been unconcerned about this. She didn't just lie to Republicans...she lied to everybody. Under oath, too. I would think that would be troubling, even to her supporters.

Agree. My concern, even as a conservative, from the beginning wasn't that she had this server, it was that she immediately started lying about it. Starting with her supposed reason for it, which clearly wasn't true (and the FBI report demonstrates it wasn't). Then about how she handled the emails, about not having any classified material, and about how her team went about determining which emails were work and which were not. Pretty much everything she has said in regards to this incident has been show to be a lie.

Yep. I suspect Republicans still would have dug into it...but it wouldn't have been the issue she made it into. It often isn't the issue that makes something big...it's the lying about it. And not saying you're sorry up front.

Consider how different this would be being spun currently, had she done that.

 

Witch hunt implying....what?

That given ALL the evidence that was discovered beforehand, first by officials at NARA, then the emails the hacker "Guccifer" exposed, then the House BI-PARTISAN committee on Benghazi, then the State Department IG report, then the New York Times report in March 2015, and finally the FBI investigation they should just ignore it because...its a VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY?

Do I have that about right?

 

Incorrect Gladiato. There comes a pivotal point with all issues. With domestic terrorism, it was 9/11. (Which Bush did a good job on curbing it and now its spiraling out of control under Obama) The new war is fought with 1's and 0's, not tanks and bombs. I understand this is COMPLETELY over your head. You can't go back and say "well durrr Ronald Reagan used insecure communications...". There comes a point when "I didnt know better" is no longer an excuse. This happened in 2010 with Private Manning, Julian Assange/Wikileaks and further in 2013 with Edward Snowden. If any of this happened before that, I would give her a pass. However she blatantly ignored security concerns in lieu of controlling her content. I dont necessarily agree with her going to jail, but she should be stripped of all access of secure content. What she did was much worse than Nixon. Unfortunately Democrats no longer care about integrity. And yes, I am talking about you too.

 

Republicans spend 90% of their energy investigating Clintons instead of worrying about the country. They chased Whitewater for years looking for something and finally got something juicy with Lewinsky. That's what these investigations are about - if you dig enough you get someone in a bad moment.

Clintons email server - no one cared - they went after her for Benghazi but there wasn't anything there but they got this email server and went after that.

But I think Bill and Hillary - masters of managing crisis - must be getting old. What was Bill Clinton thinking getting on that plane with Loretta Lynch? He should have know better. If they were up to something nefarious of course they would meet privately and not in a way the media would be over it - and Clinton should have known what would happen.

I don't care about the email server or a few classified emails. She screwed up but I will give her leeway since she was really the first major Secretary of State where email was really a requirement for your job and being a gov't politician and as old as she is - she's not going to be comfortable learning new technologies and figuring things out. So I can see why she kept her campaign server - it was convenient. And reports were that she really couldn't figure out email software on her desktop - she was hopeless.

Again, her lying was very disappointing. She lied to everyone when she should have been honest and her credibility and trust would be higher instead of in the toilet.

Do I trust her? Depends on what you mean by trust. I think she's a politician and lies like all others, but she is nowhere near having the Character of Obama. And she's not the leader that Bill Clinton was.

But she does know how to run a country and get things done - far better than Sanders, and light years ahead of Trump. Plus with the SC at stake this election is far bigger than her.

So I am going to vote Clinton, not because I like her or trust her, or think she's a good person, but because at the end of the day, she's the best person to run the country and keep us in a moderate space.

I think ultimately we're going to have to raise taxes on the rich or else things are going to get bad. People can't afford health insurance and Obamacare doesn't work. You need universal health coverage free for citizens. That would take the burden off of businesses and promote growth there. And the 1% can afford to pay more in taxes - they are just sitting on trillions of dollars in cash doing nothing with it. And something has to be done about education. It's ridiculous to have schools charging $45k a year in tuition. Where the F is all that money going??? Not to the professors. There needs to be reform there too. And reform in public education.

This country has serious problems and challenges - that are not getting addressed because our two parties can not work together. And it's things like this - focusing on email servers or whatnot instead of getting down to work.

We elect people to get something done...not just sit there and take money from lobbying groups to protect corporations and other groups and spin the day aways and play politics just to get re-elected.

I don't want the parties to fight, I want them to find honest solutions and not turn everything into this big mega-drama every time someone says something that breaks a few of their eggs.

So yeah, I am voting Clinton because Trump would be a complete farce. He wouldn't do anything as President but do a lot of media, play golf and spend time on Twitter. The guy apparently doesn't work very hard and spends most of his time watching TV. Definitely not presidential.