Swedish music festivals hit by reports of rapes by 'migrants'

I found the statement odd and conflicting. She could not identify her attacker but described a group of young men behind her. I don't think she knew the identity of her attacker so I don't think she went out of her way to hide anything. I just found it odd.

It is the truth that her opinion is that they were probably immigrants. I'm fine with that.

 

for Atw credit , these Islam bashing threads are more pleasant than these depressing cops shooting Black suspects

 

Then I'm scoffing according to you. Doesn't change that you guys don't give care about the thousands of murders and rapes happening daily right this very moment that have nothing to do with Islam. You only post stuff that fits your agenda.

 

happens all the time

 

People commit crimes sometimes. The 'guy who spoke perfect Swedish,' where are you going to send him? It's terribly facile to say these refugees commit crimes so we should send them away. Even if they commit more crime than average (which is yet to be shown), that doesn't automatically mean send them back. No need to shrink for the allegation that refugees are committing sexual assaults. I could see it being a problem. How about better security and law enforcement at festivals? How about engaging with the refugee community? Instead, people's minds go to 'how can we get rid of these people?'

 

It sounds like the refugee community is engaging the citizens... if you know what I mean.

 

It entirely depends on whether the people of the host country are willing to put in the time and effort. It appears more and more likely, that they are not willing to put in the time and effort (at least in some countries). It is also why I was critical of the initial response in Europe concerning taking in refugees. It is a very serious and long lasting situation that costs money, time and a high level of understanding. As that reality has set in, you are seeing serious back lash.

These nations need to decide conclusively if they are willing to do what needs to be done to make it work. If they are not, then they need to start the process of repatriation or paying another nation to take them in.

It is counter productive and cruel to keep them in camps, sitting and becoming a multi generational underclass that will lead to criminal behavior and further issues.

 

The EU did broker a deal with Turkey that sounds productive on paper, though more likely it's to keep the massive influx of refugees they already have rather than providing them a free ticket westward.

This is a fart in the wind, but it would be interesting to compare this influx in relation to US immigration waves such as the Irish/Eastern Euro/hispanic waves that were similar in proportion to the population at the time.

I'm thinking collectively they'd be similar, though Europe is more a confederation than a unified republic which plays a bigger meta difference when it comes to ideals like unity and brotherhood.

 

In your opinion should it be the refugees that change to try and integrate with the society that has taken them in or should that society change to fit the refugees?

 

If sharing an opinion or concentrating on a particular issue that has mass scale and influence such as Islamic violence equates to an 'agenda', then 'agenda' shouldn't have a negative connotation in this context at least.

I think the more important question that you aren't willing to ask is why would someone like me or ATW have an 'agenda'. Maybe there MIGHT be some merit to it?

 

Well, I agree with you it has to be an investment a host country has to be willing to make for it to work. Which is why it annoys me to get these sorts of reproachful threads about things happening in foreign countries. It's a conversation Sweden needs to have amongst themselves about whether they're willing to pay the costs. I hope they are, and it'll have impacts on the international community if they are not, but the opinion of Joe Blow American Citizen shouldn't matter to them. Why should we talk about gropings in Sweden? When it happens in the USA, my take might become relevant.