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Donatas Motiejunas now a restricted free agent, no qualifying offer for Terrence Jones

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by treyk3, Jun 30, 2016.

  1. mightybosstone

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    But do you do this if you're Morey? My guess is that the Rockets medical staff knows DMo's back situation as well as, if not better than, DMo. If they think his back is fine, I don't see them offering him a one-year deal where he can be unrestricted next season with a much bigger salary cap. If they think he's healthy, he's getting multiple years.
     
  2. Pete the Cheat

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    I am all for it...but Llull has just seemed consistently dismissive about even entertaining the idea
     
  3. Haymitch

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    Well DMo can just tell them he won't sign a multi-year for dobro's proposed salary, can't he? He could just take the QO, I think.
     
  4. dobro1229

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    That's just not how business and contract negotiation works. I'm trying to explain the market without creating arguments about going above or below that market. Let's just try and operate first on market.

    Real Estate is the cleanest example to look at in comparison. Your neighbor could have ugly peach colored walls, and your house could have a new bathtub, but the facts are they have a 3 bed/2 bath and so do you in the same neighborhood. Your price is tied to their price and the market.

    Yes there are factors which lead to going above or below market but there is no denying the fact that right now D-Mo's market is what it is. Basic economics says that its 3/30.... could he get more.... Absolutely.

    What's the ultimate rule of thumb... "your house is worth what someone is willing to pay for it".

    So that brings us back to the buyers here... who really NEEDS Donatas enough that they craze the intangibles about him as a player that push him ABOVE MARKET VALUE????

    I don't really see that team (maybe Portland??).... do you?
     
  5. Dclay85

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    MDA says DMO will be the primary 4. What if with the Anderson signing DMO is actually our immediate future at C? Keep Capela on the bench.
     
  6. dobro1229

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    Goodbye defense???...lol.

    No seriously though, at the time when the Pelican's originally signed Anderson he was considered to be on a large contract, and they brought him off the bench.

    Not saying the Rockets will do the same but I think if they bring back D-Mo you'll see alot of D-Mo/Capela lineups, and Capela/Anderson lineups, but probably few D-Mo/Anderson lineups. D-Mo has his moments defensively, but I doubt the team will want to bank on a future front-line with heavy usage of Anderson/D-Mo. Capela will be SUPER important to the Rockets moving forward either way.
     
  7. Dclay85

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    Everyone seems to be forgetting about Beasley tho. He has to fit in somewhere if we retain his contract
     
  8. malakas

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    If you pay they will come.
    Sergio was very dismissive of the idea too. The "no no no" I said was a direct quote he gave in an interview this week when asked.

    Teams give more $ to players who are younger than near 30 year old, because of potential and unrealised upside.
    The price I listed is my estimation of NOT above market value but HIS market value with regards with injury history but PROVIDED he is now healthy. If he isn't healthy then it may fall.

    DMO is 25 and has more potential and adding things to his game. That costs more $ than Teletovic who is what he is and is only going to get worse from here on out.
    Also in your estimations you forgot to take into account the important factor of VERSATILITY.
     
  9. Dclay85

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    With Beasley on the court, you know he's taking most of the shots. He proved he's capable last season. I would like a lineup with Beasley/Capela offense/defense and a lineup of Anderson/DMO perimeter/post offense.
     
  10. malakas

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    I don't know which teams. I will look up their remaining capspace now.
     
  11. Dclay85

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    Roll with the hot hands
     
  12. napalm06

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    This team added 5 wins by dropping Terrence Jones.
     
  13. dobro1229

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    And what I said wen't totally above your head. Market price is a barometer set by the market. Every player is unique with pro's and cons. Youth is a pro. Injury history is a Con... makes sense right.

    But the contracts and the dollar figures don't lie. We know what we know now, and what we know is the opening market for PLAYERS.... not uniquely considered, but a grouping of contracts for players that aren't max contract players.

    D-Mo's unique pro's and cons's will come into play in negotiations. I'm sure, like yourself, D-Mo's agent will play up his pro's, and the buyer (to lower his price) will play up the con's.... where will they end up???... My guess is at his MARKET PRICE... but its anyone's guess because like I said before, its all about how much the buyer is willing to pay.

    We know what we know now based on the current contracts, but to figure out where we are going with his actual offers its all going to be about finding that one or two teams which simply DGAF and will buy the house simply because they have money to burn, and they fell in love with the chandelier.
     
  14. Snow Villiers

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    Michael Beasley should be starting SF instead of Ariza :cool:
     
  15. malakas

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    So according to Smitty who is an expert this is the best estimation on the numbers published so far for capspace :
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...pYG1roZtRLyvE/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=970641454

    I see Lakers, Minny , BKN if Heat match Johnson (will they?), Phoenix and PDX if their RFAs leave. Also Utah but they are full of young bigs. And OKC.
     
  16. malakas

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    ehm yes? Why did it go over my head?
    As you said you compared almost everyone that were older than him-> con. Two of them have had significant injuries as well.
    One specific made a big discount for his team.

    Yeah and according to my estimation of those contracts given his market value right now is more than 10 per that a non versatile formely injured old roleplayer got. Anyone's guess agreed.
     
  17. rocketjunkie

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    We offered less than $5m/yr last time. He signed a long term contract and his buyout actually lowered. He's making $2.5m euros after tax (so closer to $4m before tax). If he were offered say $18m for 2 years with a team option on the second, I think he will come. If the team exercises it he will get $9m for two years and be in the nba (and would be succeeding if the option were picked up). If the option isn't picked up he's a free agent when the cap explodes again. And the nba cap is making the nba much more attractive to European players again. I think he may be plan b if the team is unable to trade for a point guard like Bledsoe or Rubio etc. FYI I was against Rubio last year given our personnel. With a dantoni offense and the additions of Gordon and Anderson (fingers crossed they stay mostly healthy), I am more comfortable getting him bc they may help hide his atrocious shooting.
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    I think somewhere in the neighborhood of 13 mil a year would be what DMo would be offered. Could be as high as 15.
     
  19. coachbadlee

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    Dmo is going to lose playing time. There just is no ore room for him now. Adding Anderson was like the nail in the coffin for him. Wiltjer will make the rotation. Once that happens Dmo will start getting the old Terrence Jones treatment.
    He is just not consistent enough to keep up with good shooters like Anderson and Wiltjer.
     
  20. Will

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    Terrence Jones is an idiot. If he had half the brains of Draymond Green, he could have been that good. But idiocy is no more remediable than size.
     

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