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Why is everyone so mad? What did y'all expect? There aren't many "stars" to be had.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bmd, Jul 2, 2016.

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  1. malakas

    malakas Member

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    Yes Nate Duncan is a noone you are right.

    You know far better than him.
     
  2. Nook

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    The owner won't rebuild.

    Morey wanted to rebuild after the Yao injury and Les said no.

    It isn't going to happen until Les is dead.
     
  3. MorningZippo

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    Going backwards could mean making lateral moves to not lose more games, even though our current potential is tapped out.
     
  4. Nook

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    This.

    The Rockets were coming off a disaster of a season. The one elite free agent (KD) wasn't coming here.

    The Rockets tried with Horford but he (and his wife) preferred the NE.

    We tried on Bazemore but had we signed him, fans would have complained about his extremely limited offensive game.

    Les was going to spend the money. So we got the best of the next tier of players. We also got players that fit what D'Antoni wants to run. Anderson and Gordon both fix massive weaknesses the Rockets had.

    Also, the Rockets can fairly easily get another very good free agent. They have nearly 10,000,000 left and dealing Brewer gets them up to 17,000,000 if they want someone else.

    I also expect Morey to start emphasizing internal development of players.

    It isn't an ideal situation and Harden may well leave, but the reality is there are no obvious or easy solutions. Morey did the best he could with the hand and owner dealt.

    As for Parsons; something to consider .... The Rockets made lukewarm efforts to resign him.... The Mavs made no efforts to resign him. There is more to the story than fans realize.
     
  5. Ubiquitin

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    The Houston Rockets best players with the exception of T-Mac and Harden were drafted. Most of the stars in the league play for their drafting team or more desirable cities. Houston traded its picks away and time has shown Harden is good but not enough. I would rather the Rockets have 2-3 awful seasons to get a star or two from the draft than keep failing at this game of recruiting 'stars'. Morey ball has failed.
     
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    These pick ups are better than last year and hopefully we get something out of Gordon. Yes paying these players thus kind of money sucks but that is the price tag. He'll Conley is now the highest paid player in the league or close to it and he is not better than harden, lillard, or khawi Lenard
     
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    I agree you have to build through the draft and we just haven't done a good job of that here
     
  8. malakas

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    If Les wants to spend all his money then do what the Kings did. What we should have done if we missed out. What the Celtics did last year when they missed out.
    Overpay for short term contracts.

    Don't have to carry such injury prone players for 4 whole years and into our next years' capspace.
     
  9. cheke64

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    People are mad because Morey hypes alot of **** up. At the end you end up looking like a dumbass. Stop getting hyped up. Do I need to quote him?
     
  10. fadeaway

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    This year is like the polar opposite of last season. We overachieved and everyone was excited going into the season, but it didn't work out and our dreams were crushed. This year expectations are low as can be.

    My prediction: Gordon and Anderson fit in well and we overachieve again, finishing with the 5th or 6th seed. Then, next off-season we sign a legitimate star and win the championship in 2018. Sound good?
     
  11. Coolaid

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    Basically one all star level player left for a new team and everyone here acts like we missed out on a ton of star players.
     
  12. Nook

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    Noah has no cartledge in his knees... It is bone on bone. He went from being a near 50% shooter with plus defense to being a 38% shooter that is a poor defender. It really isn't the same situation at all.

    As far as the deals being 4 years instead of 3; I am sure Morey wanted 3 years but the better free agents are getting 4 years. Also, the cap situation will increase again next season and there is a real possibility of a flat single amnesty being included so it will be less of a problem.

    I wanted Bazemore because he could defend very well but he was $20,000,000 a year.
     
  13. HighlightReel

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    I think Morey did okay given the circumstance. At least he didn't ridiculously overspend. His pattern is to first find established stars or rising talents and then settle on undervalued players entering their prime.

    Ryan Anderson is 28 and Eric Gordon is 27. Normally, players reach their prime around that age because of their experience, skills, and not too declined athleticism. Rockets is definitely trying to compete now or next year after they finish the overhaul. Probably they won't be good enough to contend this coming season, but Morey needs to keep this ship sailing to try to pry a superstar again next season.

    Gordon's latest injury was not knee-related. IF he gets back some of his athleticism to attack the rim, he'll instantly be undervalued.

    I was hoping Anderson would have signed for 17M/yr, but 20M/yr still seems tolerable. When we see him raining threes, maybe we'll all be okay with that contract.
     
  14. malakas

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    Noah is bone on bone and Anderson has back and neck injuries and Eric Gordon is made out of glass. Just because their issues aren't degenerative doesn't make their injuries any less rare.

    Afflalo got 1+1. Amir last year got 1+1. Do we sign now players so we can amnesty them later?

    I know of Noah's issues since I'm follow the Bulls as close as a Bulls fan you can say.

    These signings aren't Morey's style and I see very few people worrying about it.
    When a GM has lost power and is working just to save his job that's when the MOST damage to a team is done.
    And this to me is long lasting damage.

    I won't make another post about it. What happened happened.

    But plz ppl save some of us with all the crap about non stars and cap rise.

    There have been close to 50 signings this summer and 99% of them have been better than those two.
    With the same cap rise and without the players being stars. Just good roleplayers that won't roll carpets all the way to the rim or spend half their games in expensive suits.
     
  15. AkeemOlaDROwon

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    Thanks for letting us know who this clown is so we know to avoid his articles in the future. Do you seriously agree with him?

    Mozgov - 4 yrs/64 mil
    Fournier - 5 yrs/85 mil
    Solomon Hill 4 yrs/52mil
    Austin Rivers - 3 yrs/35 mil
    Jon Leuer - 4 yrs/ 41mil
    Nate Duncan - ∞/ 0 minutes listening to his podcast
     
  16. Deuce

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    Nook, can you expound on what you mean regarding Parsons?
     
  17. eqsharp

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    Wait......so you're saying that the Rockets are one of the few teams to lose a star player while everyone else was able to retain theirs?

    Someone please tell me again how great of a GM Morey is again.
     
  18. HillBoy

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    OK since when were you nominated to police this BBS? Why should you care how much someone voices their opinion or displeasure with the Rockets. I hate to interrupt your channeling of Donald Trump but if someone wants to b**** and moan about this organization they have every right to do so - I mean it's not as if the Rockets organization has done nothing to upset its fans. The way I see it, as long as folks are venting about the Rockets it shows that they at least give enough of a damn to make the effort to post to this forum. You want to see what the other side looks like then go over and take a gander at Dallasbasketball.com. Oh and by the way: If someone truly hated the Rockets or were "done" with them they wouldn't be posting here. They'd simply go away and disappear.
     
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    Who is nate duncan? Also Ryan Anderson is clearly NOT the worst contract what do you call 30M per for Conley, Beal for 26M and Turner for 17.5 or that random dude who averaged 4 pts a game but somehow got 11M per year?

    Ryan Anderson is just market average for a guy of his skill, it's underwhelming but neither is it a poisonous contract and it is far, far, far from the worst contract in the league.
     
  20. BimaThug

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    FWIW, Nate Duncan is fairly respectable and is knowledgeable about the salary cap. I respect his opinion.

    That said, a lot of it is just that. OPINION. Maybe the Anderson contract is horrible. But it was "market" given the circumstances.
     

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