P U N K I don't understand why everyone wants this thug on their team. http://www.sportspages.com/content/blog.php?p=741&more=1 The Beast in the NBA is now Ron Artest. This past week against the Cleveland Cavaliers, Ron Artest took down Ricky Davis, literally, then gave the Cleveland crowd (what crowd? – ed.) his favorite middle finger salute. “I don’t care,” Artest said. “Nothing happened. I was just playing to the crowd.” Artest shoved Ricky Davis out of bounds. He slapped away Isiah Thomas’s arm as his own coach tried to restrain him.
Hell no, this would be the stupidest trade. Whoever said Artest was a better offensive player than Cat should get their head checked. It's sad when a player's antics precedes their ability on the courts. You take away Artest's childish stunts and I bet half of you people on this board dont even know his name. Cat blows Artest away in every offensive category, and he is durable being a top player in minutes/game. And despite what is the general opinion on this board, Cat -IS- a good defensive player.
Not to say that Cuttino is a "dead-eye sharpshooter" or anything, but if you think Artest is even remotely close to being one then -you're- the one who needs to check up on your stats.
To say Cat blows Artest away in every offensive category is a major exaggeration. He's definitely the better offensive player, but he doesn't blow Artest away in every offensive category. And while Cat is a good defensive player, Artest -IS- a GREAT defensive player.
yes, but at what cost? Like I said, his reputation as a dirty player precedes his abilities. The multiple fines? The labelling of Indiana -as a team- being dirty, all primarily because of one player? Oh and who can forget his technical fouls that cost his team multiple games [on national tv]. Some people may think that Cuttino plays stupidly, wait until you watch Artest, the guy does the most bonehead things ever.
I dont know, just off the top of my head ... throwing tv's around? Pushing coaches? flicking off fans? Just to name a few.
Yes we'd do that trade. Indiana wouldn't. And I hate the guy. The NBA still hasn't sent him the proper message yet, and for that I blame them. But for what this team needs, Artest's ability makes him a greater asset than Cat. I just hope when/if Cat gets traded we get equal value, that Artest is a headcase is the only reason it could happen.
a) there were rumors of artest for brent barry earlier this summer. so all you add eddie in or start with yao/francis or you have to throw in more people are crazy. b) mobley is better at offense, artest at defense. the balance probably comes out on artest's side, but as was mentioned, if jvg is supposed to do wonders for our D, then i would think having the guy who can play O would be better. why give jvg what he's already good at and take away from what he's not? doesn't make much sense to me. c) artest shot better than mobley: well yeah, except for 3's, 2's, overall fg%, and ft%. d) if you could pair mobley and artest up you'd have a hell of a defense with eg and yao backing them up. trading mobley's good D for artest's great D while losing mobley's shooting doesn't seem like much of a net gain, doesn't fit us well (like JPo never really did), and takes the chance artest really is as crazy as he seems. e) Why does everyone on this board want to trade Mobley for Artest hey most people seem to want to trade him for a few new basketballs, at least we're making progress here.
A) I don't necessarily see that our only motivation for trading Mobes is to acquire stability and maturity. I'm not saying that those couldn't be beneficial, just don't see them as the only option. B) Mobley is a far better shooter, granted. But playmaker? Relative to the position? Artest is no great shakes as a playmaker, but not all that many forwarda are...but relative to other guards Mobley is hardly stellar in this regard either. But, again, whenever you trade a guard for a forward it's likely that you're going to see a decrease in those two areas...just like you would assume that you will see an increase in rebounding...stands to reason. C) Sprewell was very good, and Ward was also good. If Charlie Ward can't defend, why exactly is he in the league?; that's his only real attribute, IMO. But let's not overlook the fact that Spree was much better than anyone we have starting. Having a defensive stopper in your lineup has a trickle down effect on defense; allows for better switiching off on other players, etc. We don't have that...Artest would give us that. D) I agree that Artest is a ticking bomb...and Mobes is much more stable. I just think that JVG can work with that kind of player. But I feel that Artest is a greater value piece than Cat. I would do the deal. The league is full of scorers; it's how most guys get here...undersized shooting guards are alaways available, if not quite of Cat's calibre. Defensive stoppers who can do other things, intimidate, get into the running game, and add some offense are not as common. You are talking about potentially the best defensive perim forward in the league, and one of the top 5-10 defensive players, period. That's value.
Well, with the trade exception, we could trade Cato for Artest straight up. Or, we could get real creative & do this trade: Houston sends Griffin/Cato/Mobley/Nachbar/future draft considerations to Indiana. Indiana sends Harrington/Artest/Tinsley/Pollard to Houston. We shift Francis over to SG & put Tinsley in at PG. That move upgrades both positions. Harrington's low post game is further along than Griffin's. Artest would give us a starting SF & Pollard could play backup minutes at center. C: Yao/Pollard/Amaechi PF: Harrington/Taylor/Badiane? SF: Artest/Piatkowski/A.Griffin SG: Francis/Jackson/Piatkowski/A.Griffin PG: Tinsley/Francis/Moochie
I did check the stats. Artest is a better three point shooter. You obviously didnt check. basically your lieing. I'll come back with the stats in a minute to prove it since you called me out.
What's worse? A lottery bound team that has good character and is looked up to by children and respected by the community? Or a team full of nuts compiled for the sake of winning? These trade suggestions never cease to amaze me; from Rasheed Wallace, Latrell Spreewell, Damon Stoudamire, now Ron Artest? Give me a break, the day that the Rockets' management sacrafices character and respectability to win a few games, is the day I stop being a fan. You guys seem to forget, basketball is a game, I'd rather have a team comprised of good citizens who set examples for young kids, than a team full of egotistical criminals who think the world revolves around them, and thusly play like it. Character issues aside, I'd -still- rather have Mobley. Artest is a great defensive player, however I'd rather have Mobley's shooting on the perimeter.
okay,Turns out Mobley is a better offensive player and shooter than Artest. Artest must have really slumped off towards the end of the season. Oh well I was wrong. But for some reason I'd still do the trade I guess because Cuttino waves off Ming so much that I think he is selfish.
Artest: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3339 lovely 31.5% career average. Mobley: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3284 What kind of stats are you looking at?
http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=1722766 In even more Pacers news, let us welcome you to the first installment of the Ron Artest Show for this season. After wearing No. 23 in honor of MJ last season, he's been battling with the league to change his number to 91 in honor of Dennis Rodman. Ron-Ron said he submitted a request for the number change to the league, but was told it "wasn't received in time." It wasn't received in time, or Donnie Walsh took the request and stuffed it in his desk? You can almost see it: "Sure Ron, no problem. You wearing Rodman's number isn't asking for problems. I'll send this to league right away for you." ... Now, about that trade...
