Chad Ford: Francis most overrated PG.

you're weird StupidMoniker. you LOVE cuttino mobley but HATE steve francis. most people hate both, some like steve and hate cuttino, and even weirder some like both like me, but finding someone who hates steve and like mobley is a strange find. smeg is kinda the same, except he brings more humor to the whole affair and doesn't seem so serious in the hating.

 

**** *** Mrs. Ford.

 

Not all these guys are necessarily top 15, they are just 15 guys who are better than Steve. Also, Payton was listed, so I never said Marbury was better than Payton.

Carter is important because he is a better scorer and a better defender than Steve (though I hate to give the impression that Carter is a good defender, it is just that Steve is soooo bad).

A much shorter list might be what doesn't he do better than Steve, which consits of only things that are secondary to his job as a SG (ie rebounding and passing).

 

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It is because, while they are pretty similar on offense, they are radically different in their approach to the game as a whole. Cuttino is committed to defense, Steve just tries to outscore his man. Cuttino is willing to take on different roles for the team, Francis makes demands that he be the #1 guy. Cuttino signed for less money to play here, Francis got a max contract.

To me Cuttino contributes at least as much to the team as Francis does, especially when given the opportunity (Francis has never averaged what Cat did 2 years ago in scoring, and Francis's limited playmaking ability is offset by Cat's superior defense). More importantly, he contributes just as much with far less talent to draw upon. I always said, Imagine what Charles Barkley could have done if he had been 6'10". He got the most out of what was given to him. Just as Cat gets the most out of what was given to him. If Steve used as much of his talent as Cat does, he really could be a top 5-15 player in this league, but instead he squanders it with his selfish attitude and his piss-poor effort on the other end of the floor.

I know you didn't ask, but that is why I love Mobley and hate Francis. Give me a team of Mobleys and Barkleys over one of Francises and Derrick Colemans anytime.

 

If you let Yao Ming play point guard, he is overrated. The thing is Francis is not a PG by any mean, and RudyT got the fancy idea to play him as a PG.

I'd say Rudy T is the most overrated coach since 2000

 

I don't know where you are going with this, but I am going to go out on a limb and say that, other than the irrelevant numbers you find on NBA.com, you probably know nothing of what John Amaechi brings to a team. I doubt that you have watched any film on John Amaechi or even payed close attenion to him in his very few minutes against the Rockets. All you see is that he averaged X-amount of points or X-amount of rebounds. While these numbers slap you across the face, you neglect to see the intangibles a player brings to a team. Whether that player brings energy, or plays up in your face defense, or whether that player puts a body on another player, or if he has quick hands or gets a hand in the shooters face, or if that player brings leadership, knowledge and commitment. Personally, I don't know what tangibles and intangibles John Amaechi will bring to the Rockets. I've never watched the guy play. But what I can tell you is that I am NOT going to sit here and tell you otherwise, based on the fact that I know what his ppg average is! The gross ifatuation that many here on this board have with statistics is sickening!!!

 

Francis is pretty overrated m any games he had too many turnovers and made moochie norris look good

 

sorry, but when did he make moochie looked good??? I always thought he looked like he should be the guy throwin out the trash??? Ya, i nkow francis makes too many tournovers. But do you know who leads in tournovers???? Jason Kidd...

 

He's right about Elton Brand and Al Harrington, but Steve isn't overratted theirs many point guards taled about more than him. And as far as him being worse under JVG I disagree,. He might not be as great of an athelete under him, but whould become a better all around point guard. Chad Ford is a **** smoking b**** that runs out of things to talk about every year and just brain farting a whole bunch of bull****.

 

oh yea, and danielk Moochie has never looked good, defenitely never better that steve. I guess their is somebody dumber that Chad Ford on here. Only ford worth a crap is T.J.

 

Stevie is among the top 5 PGs in the league, but he has a LOT of room for improvement. Why can't we just leave it at that? Yea, he has tremendous talent, just like Gilbert Arenas, but he still has a lot of gaps in his game. Arenas may be overrated after having one good season, but nobody is saying he is an outright better player than Steve. As far as Vinsanity is concerned, I'm not a huge fan of his b/c of his inability to lead his team, ala Kobe, Tracy, etc., but I still think he does have a slight edge on Francis at this moment, granted he hasn't played much in the last couple of years.

As far as all this talk over the last several years about switching Steve to SG, it wasn't Rudy's idea. People seem to forget that Steve played mostly PG in college and claimed that was the position he wanted to play. In fact, it was pretty well documented at the time that that was one of the reasons he didn't want to go to Vancouver (who already had Bibby at the point). I haven't heard once from Steve in the media or anything about wanting to permanently switch to SG. Has anyone else? People always seem to forget or not know these little details.

As far as Steve making Mooch look good, even I could be on the court and Matt Mol...er...Mooch would still not look good.

 

Moochie looked better than Steve in the two-man passing game with Yao Ming. I can guarantee that!!!

 

Coming from a man who thinks derek fisher is better than Steve Francis.

 

I would say Steve's talent level is on par with Arenas.

But I would have to give the edge to Arenas for:

1. Arenas is five years younger.
2. He makes alot less money.
3. He can't be any worse at getting teammates involved.

 

I don't think Gilbert Arenas is overrated because no one is saying he is great, top 15, a franchise player, etc. People are saying Arenas is very good, and surprising. But no one touts him as a superstar.

 

How can Francis be the most overrated PG in the league when he isn't a PG?

 

Instead of making up lies, why don't actually prove something and show me the post where I said this.

Your posts are weak and unsubstantiated SamFisher.

 

Fact is there are alot of better point guards than Francis. It doesn't take much. But because they are better point guards doesn't mean they are more talented or better players.

 

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