The way it was all planned and orchestrated indicate very much that this was an ISIS attack. And historically ISIS doesn't take responsibility for the attacks they conduct in Turkey.
Lots of American went and bought the Koran after 911. Not surprising that cml750 read it. ChrisBosh is right you know. The most religious folks are NOT the one that are doing the killing. Look at the Islamic terrorists and compare *how* religious they are to the one that are peaceful. Olivier Roy, an expert in these matter from France, has argue that they AREN'T that religious at all, but they absolutely use Islam as their framework to do their crazy things. It's not just an extremist view of Islam, it's fitting their own extreme view and practices within Islam and they are able to do that because Islam provided the necessary framework for them to do so. As a religious person, cml750, you should probably understand this a bit, right? There are plenty of folks who said - look at the Bible and wow, crazy people. Is that true? Well, yes, just read how hateful and violence the bible is. How do you respond to that - you read it, but you don't understand it, right? Let's said if there were a small % of the Christian followers that went the terrorists route and kill innocent people and claim it's in the bible - for example, they go kill people of the US because the US has now allowed gay marriage and the people should die for that sin. You would probably claim they don't understand the bible, aren't even that religious, have an extreme view of your faith and is using the bible as the vehicle to fit their own extreme view and practice. Other may insists, no it's in the bible and that's the source of their violence. Which one is correct? Which one is helpful? The Islamic extremist issue is much more complicated and there are much responsibility to stop that from all sides, but attacking all Muslims or the Islamic faith in general, when the mass majority of them aren't going to kill innocent people is not only ineffective, but even give more voice to extremists.
It's certainly not hilarious to the victims' families from San Bernardino and Orlando, that's for sure. The truth is there were warning signs in both cases, and these could have been prevented if people around these terrorists would have spoken up. If you don't have any problem people in your mosque, then great. I'm glad to hear that your mosque preaches tolerance. Sadly there are some that do not.
You are completely delusional. You stick with the "Muslims are misunderstood and misrepresented" but you are quick to associate main stream Christianity with Westboro Baptist church (which has about 40 members) and a complete disdain for Israel, who by the way, keeps their business in their own country and the territory they claim. Mainstream Muslims: "I wont kill a gay, but if someone should kill them, they deserved it and we certainly wont punish them" Mainstream Christians: "I may or may not agree with homosexuality, but I will denounce anyone who would kill one, and they are certainly subjected to the fullest extent of the law"
You are absolutely correct. However you're still in complete denial. The truth is its less about religion and more about culture. 1st world nations are quick to denounce violence, albeit more passive when they are bombing 3rd world nations. 3rd world nations are so accustomed to violence that its ingrained into their culture. As their world is engulfed in flames, they have no problem watching the rest of the world burn. Unfortunately they use their religion to anchor themselves into this insanity. There is a strong correlation between religious extremism (i am not referring to violence as much as the social condemnation that follows those who stray from it) and discord. Face it, the middle east is very extreme in their beliefs and there is often serious consequences for those who stray from it. Now compare it to the Nordic countries where religion is not very popular and there is little violence. Do you not see the issue when a belief structure that labels half their people (women) as 2nd class citizens? That ousts anyone who disagrees with them? That chastises those who do not follow their day to day repetitive beliefs?
Someone from his mosque did report him. Really, you should know the facts (and not listen to Trump blindly) before you make careless statements. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-shooting-mohammad-malik-man-told-fbi-about-omar-mateen-in-2014/ Here's a question for you: Why is it that the Crusaders did not represent Christianity but ISIS does represent Islam?
How many opportunities were there for someone to find out about his beliefs and report him? Sounds like to me you are blaming Muslims as a whole for Orlando.
Very tragic and unfortunately there are many more terrorist attacks to come in Turkey. To an earlier poster who wondered who will visit Turkey now? If given the chance I would. I was there last year and it's a beautiful and amazing country. I've been to many countries and Turkey was one of the best. One thing I think Turkey very much needs to do is resolve things with the Kurds. This attack was most likely either the Kurds or DAESH. Peace can't be made with DAESH but it is possible to do so with the Kurds. The problem is that Turkey sees no difference between the groups so it shouldn't surprise them when many Kurds see the struggle with Turkey as a death struggle.
[rQUOTEr]Islamic State prime suspect after suicide bombers kill 41 at Istanbul airport Turkish investigators pored over video footage and witness statements on Wednesday after three suspected Islamic State suicide bombers opened fire and blew themselves up in Istanbul's main airport, killing 41 people and wounding 239. The attack on Europe's third-busiest airport was the deadliest in a series of suicide bombings this year in Turkey, part of the U.S.-led coalition against Islamic State and struggling to contain spillover from neighboring Syria's war. President Tayyip Erdogan said the attack should serve as a turning point in the global fight against terrorism, which he said had "no regard for faith or values". Five Saudis and two Iraqis were among the dead, a Turkish official said. Citizens from China, Jordan, Tunisia, Uzbekistan, Iran and Ukraine were also among the 13 foreigners killed. One attacker opened fire in the departures hall with an automatic rifle, sending passengers diving for cover and trying to flee, before all three blew themselves up in or around the arrivals hall a floor below, witnesses and officials said. Video footage showed one of the attackers inside the terminal building being shot, apparently by a police officer, before falling to the ground as people scattered. The attacker then blew himself up around 20 seconds later. "It's a jigsaw puzzle ... The authorities are going through CCTV footage, witness statements," a Turkish official said. The Dogan news agency said autopsies on the three bombers, whose torsos were ripped apart, had been completed and that they may have been foreign nationals, without citing its sources. Broken ceiling panels littered the kerb outside the arrivals section of the international terminal. Plates of glass had shattered, exposing the inside of the building, and electric cables dangled from the ceiling. Cleanup crews swept up debris and armed police patrolled as flights resumed. "This attack, targeting innocent people is a vile, planned terrorist act," Prime Minister Binali Yildirim told reporters at the scene in the early hours of Wednesday morning. "There is initial evidence that each of the three suicide bombers blew themselves up after opening fire," he said. The attackers had come to the airport by taxi and preliminary findings pointed to Islamic State responsibility. Two U.S. counterterrorism officials familiar with the early stages of investigations said Islamic State was at the top of the list of suspects even though there was no evidence yet. No group had claimed responsibility more than 12 hours after the attack, which began around 9:50 p.m. (1850 GMT) on Tuesday. VICTIMS OF MANY NATIONALITIES Istanbul's position bridging Europe and Asia has made Ataturk airport, Turkey's largest, a major transit hub for passengers across the world. The Istanbul governor's office said 109 of the 239 people hospitalized had since been discharged. "There were little babies crying, people shouting, broken glass and blood all over the floor. It was very crowded, there was chaos. It was traumatic," said Diana Eltner, 29, a Swiss psychologist who was traveling from Zurich to Vietnam but had been diverted to Istanbul after she missed a connection. Delayed travelers were sleeping on floors at the airport, a Reuters witness said, as some passengers and airport staff cried and hugged each other. Police in kevlar vests with automatic weapons prowled the kerbside as a handful of travelers and Turkish Airlines crew trickled in. The national carrier said it had canceled 340 flights although its departures resumed after 8:00 am (0500 GMT). Paul Roos, 77, a South African tourist on his way home, said he saw one of the attackers "randomly shooting" in the departures hall from about 50 meters (55 yards) away. "He was wearing all black. His face was not masked ... We ducked behind a counter but I stood up and watched him. Two explosions went off shortly after one another. By that time he had stopped shooting," Roos told Reuters. "He turned around and started coming towards us. He was holding his gun inside his jacket. He looked around anxiously to see if anyone was going to stop him and then went down the escalator ... We heard some more gunfire and then another explosion, and then it was over." AIM TO MAXIMIZE FEAR The attack bore similarities to a suicide bombing by Islamic State militants at Brussels airport in March that killed 16 people. A coordinated attack also targeted a rush-hour metro train, killing a further 16 people in the Belgian capital. Islamic State militants also claimed gun and bomb attacks that killed 129 people in Paris last November "In Istanbul they used a combination of the methods employed in Paris and Brussels. They planned a murder that would maximize fear and loss of life," said Suleyman Ozeren, a terrorism expert at the Ankara-based Global Policy and Strategy Institute. Turkey needs to work harder on "preventative intelligence" to stop militants being radicalized in the first place, he said. The two U.S. officials said the Istanbul bombing was more typical of Islamic State than of Kurdish militant groups which have also carried out recent attacks in Turkey, but usually strike at official government targets. Yildirim said it was significant that the attack took place when Turkey was having successes in fighting terrorist groups and mending ties with some of its international partners. Turkey announced the restoration of diplomatic ties with Israel on Monday after a six-year rupture and has been trying to restore relations with Russia, a major backer of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. One of the U.S. officials said there had been a "marked increase" in encrypted Islamic State propaganda and communications on the dark web, which some American officials interpret as an effort to direct or inspire more attacks outside its home turf to offset its recent losses on the ground. Both officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the probe, which they said is being led by Turkish officials with what they called intelligence support from the United States and other NATO allies. [/rQUOTEr]
This is your argument? You want to hold modern day Christianity to something that happened 1000 years ago? But if you insist, the Church and Government were hand in hand, much like the middle east governments and Islam are hand in hand. Further, I do not believe ISIS represents Islam. However Muslims are very passive about ISIS. This **** is happening in their back yard. They need to deal with it.
By the way, the crusades (which are the favorite argument of Islam apologists) were actually a reaction to brutal and violent Islamic aggression and expansion over centuries.
If the Crusades were happening today, I could see people blaming Christianity for them since it was pushed by the church just as I can see people blaming Islam for their version of the Crusades that is happening now. That said, it's not the whole religion, it's just a perversion of the religion pushed by a significant number of religious leaders and followed by a huge number in the religion.
In general, you seem to be a person that likes to stick to the facts ... this quote wasn't true in 2014, it wasn't true in 2015, and it's not true now. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3154680/The-astonishing-FIFTY-FOUR-countries-groups-battling-ISIS-haven-t-crushed-already.html You can do the rest of the homework yourself.
And many argue that ISIS is a reaction to western encroachment into Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. My point being only that if you are saying one group can be used to demonize and entire religion (which you seem to be backing off now), then why is it that one shouldn't look at history for comparisons. ------ All I ask is a simple question - why is it that today, when you have extremists do extremist things, it is the religion, but when you look at other religions in a historical context, they get a pass and it's not the case. Sounds like a major flaw. Instead of addressing it, people say it's being an "apologist". So we can't defeat this argument, so we will resort to ad hominem attacks. Got it.
Well I commend you for recognizing that it is not the whole religion of Islam that we are fighting here.
I've never said any differently. We're not fighting my ex gf's parents, we're fighting those who believe in the radical version of that religion.....and in some ways not even the people who just believe in the radical version of the religion but those who believe in it and act on it. At some point we can hope for a cultural shift within the Muslim community away from radicalization so hopefully the goat humping radicals will one day be as small a group as the Westboro crazies and no longer a big threat to the whole.
But many here feel that Islam itself is the problem vs. Radical Islam. I am glad that you don't look at it that way. It's refreshing.
