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David Cameron: Britain's EU Referendum to be held June 23

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Feb 20, 2016.

  1. geeimsobored

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    I should also add that since the referendum, the SNP won a majority of Scotland's seats to the British parliament. Scottish nationalists aren't going anywhere and have only increased their strength. I guarantee another referendum is coming down the pipeline. Voting to leave the EU when a strong majority of Scots wanted to stay is an easy case for a new vote.
     
  2. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    We have the same issue with the US states, but other than Texas we don't have the succession movements.
     
  3. Bandwagoner

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    Except a huge argument for staying with the UK was what if the price of oil goes down. Well it has gone down a BIT since 2014. This is all premature fear mongering.
     
  4. pirc1

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    That is because we are a nation, it is much harder to form a union of nations. Do you believe the 50 states would form the United States today if we are not a nation?
     
  5. Northside Storm

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    And this referendum has taught us people are willing to stick in economic pain for democratic gain.

    At the time of the referendum, a huge NO argument was the impossibility of joining the EU again given how convoluted Article 48 was. Now, the EU will seek to punish the UK for triggering Article 50. That may include accelerating an independent Scotland's ascent and unfavorable terms for whoever chooses to remain in the UK.

    62% of Scots voted for the EU.

    I, for one, would be glad to see an independent Scotland which will evolve to a fuller form of social democracy. The U.K deserves to feel the full blunt of the failure of austerity.
     
  6. Bandwagoner

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    Yeah I'm sure Osborne's emergency austerity budget will be coming out any minute now amirite? Because that wasn't BS fear mongering that died on arrival.
     
  7. Northside Storm

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    Osborne should resign.

    The austerity bills he has already signed has had close to its full due.

    David Cameron's legacy will be splitting two unions, as JK Rowling aptly put it.

    Right wing politics are a road to disaster. The Conservatives can't even get the economy or security right, and that's supposed to be their bread and butter. I'm not fear mongering, I am stating my genuine belief that Scotland should look to its own split to get towards policies that work. I celebrate the results of this referendum. It shows people can think through economic pain to something greater.

    Next time, maybe it's not scorning immigrants. Next time it may be a shot at a fuller social democracy, and a 21st century economy given how oil has cratered.
     
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    When dumbasses vote without comprehending the repercussions

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This Leave voter wants to go back to the polling station now ‘the reality is actually hitting in’ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EURefResults?src=hash">#EURefResults</a><a href="https://t.co/Gd9ARAz7bq">https://t.co/Gd9ARAz7bq</a></p>&mdash; 5News (@5_News) <a href="https://twitter.com/5_News/status/746333341532598279">June 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  10. bigtexxx

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    ^^

    the liberals' rustle is real
     
  11. pirc1

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    That was stupid, if you don't want to leave, do not vote for it. But who cares about what England does anyway.:eek:
     
  12. Northside Storm

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    Meh. I've been bearish on the market the whole time because I think it's a house of cards, so I have heavy commodity positions. I actually stand to gain personally from this, and Cameron resigning is a nice bonus lol.

    I do hope Scotland and Northern Ireland get out though, and that Osborne resigns. Would be extra icing on the cake.

    Otherwise,

    this is your yearly reminder that right-wing policies evantually lead to fire and chaos XD
     
  13. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Demographics I'm reading (via UK outlets) show a lot of liberals joining the exit coalition. Interesting. It's like "fight the power" joining hands with "no immigrants!"

    In any case, it's not as simple as "liberals lost." It's just more like the establishment (especially monied London) lost big time.
     
  14. RocketsLegend

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    This thread proves how much of a moron TheRealist137 really is. Ignore list, you go.
     
  15. B-Bob

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    Good post. Looks like another referendum will be forthcoming. Good for Scotland.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36621030

    Sturgeon basically saying another vote is a done deal and that it's unacceptable to force Scotland out of the EU against their will.

    If you vote for regionalism, you can't decide on the scale of fragmentation I guess.
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    There are many reasons why Brits voted to regain their sovereignty, it doesn't help when douchebags dismiss everyone who supports the Brexit as xenophobic bigots any more than it helped those who were on the side of Remain who talked up the ramifications of leaving the EU as if it would be the end of the world.

    The rhetoric was just ridiculous from all sides and unsurprisingly it led to those old enough to remember a sovereign Britain voting overwhelmingly to leave the EU. BS rhetoric pushes a lot of people away from whatever side you are on.
     
  17. JuanValdez

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    Bad news for my contingency plan to send my kids to British universities with EU citizenship to avoid high US tuitions. Still, if there's to be a divide between Britain and Europe, I'm glad I'm on the European side and not the British side. If Le Pen somehow forces a similar referendum for France, I'm already pretty sure how I'll vote. Britain was an important member, but I think the EU is still viable without them. If France, Germany, or Italy were to leave too, you may as well cancel the whole thing.

    Nothing terribly significant will happen, though, before we vote for President. The Conservatives will take some time to install the new PM, and then he'll take a while to strategize before pulling the trigger on Article 50. Anything Scotland does will also take awhile. The realities of secession won't be felt until after we do an up or down on Trump.

    Lol, no.

    Ultimately, I think Scotland would be better served sticking with the United Kingdom than with the European Union, even if they don't like the direction the English are steering them. There's more natural cohesion among the British Isles then trying to leapfrog over to the mainland.
     
  18. sugrlndkid

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    Yep...NOT staged at all...:rolleyes:
     
  19. Deji McGever

    Deji McGever יליד טקסני

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    Also this.
     
  20. Air Langhi

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    I think scotts and English got beef going way back.
     

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