They haven't played anyone that good. Raptors, Wizards, Nuggets, Hawks... They lost to Portland and Utah (they did beat Utah the first time). So far they are doing well against the Knicks. ------------------
If to accomodate CWebb, it's possible. We're talking 3 mill difference to a guy who just made 16 mill, and could make much much more in endorsements if he wanted. Relativist-which is it, you say there won't be enough ball to go around for Cuttino, Steve, Webber, what about Zo, EJ, Hardaway, Grant? ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
That's why Dream would be a defensive and rebounding specialist. Dream and Webber crashing the boards? Would an opposing team ever get a second chance shot? ------------------
NIKEStrad, good point. I really, really would like to see Dream stay here for at least another year, if not his career. I guess I'm thinking pessimistic so it won't be such a blow if he goes. What about Taylor? If Lawrence's scenario is correct, and we had $12 million in cap space after renouncing Dream, Bullard that we then used on Webber, would we still be able to re-sign Taylor? Taylor has no bird rights, right? So without cap space, would be we still be able to keep him, even if he were willing to stay? Would we perhaps qualify for a salary exception that we could use on him? ------------------
Dream and Webber in the same front court...bring on S.A. that would be one hell of a game. Dream, C-Webb and Cato would give the Rox the top shot blocking team in the league. ------------------
I would pay up to 4 mil for Hakeem, but Webber remains the man I want on the Rockets. ------------------ "Chucky who? I thought we were talking about basketball?" Charles Barkley
Colby: yes yes, but it's a matter of an equation. Suppose we have a 1/3 chance of signing Webber... is it worth giving up both Taylor and Hakeem? I'm not so sure. Webber is all or nothing. The way this team has been playing lately, resigning Taylor and Hakeem would probably guarantee the playoffs next year. ------------------ Why is it that everytime BC defeats a major conference opponent, that opponent promptly goes on a losing streak? PS. Notre Dame sucks
I realize Dream wants to contribute and still make a little cash, but I think he ultimately wants to contribute to a winning team. His whole beef earlier was that we could be winning, and he could help us to do that. That said, I don't believe for a second that Dream's main concern is money. Remember when he said we could compete this year? Well guess what, we're competing, Dream is helping, and he is happy. I think Olajuwon would take far less than he could get elsewhere if we got Webber because he knows Webber makes us contenders the instant he puts pen to dotted line. Mo is a starting PF. If we got Webber, I don't think there is any way we keep Mo. How would it affect Bird Rights, salary cap etc if we did a sign and trade to the Kings with Mo for Webber? ------------------ "We got f*cking smashed every day. And then when we came here to Beverly Hills, we had drugs, we had chicks, we had orgies. I thought I'd died and gone to f*cking Rome" ---Ozzy Osbourne, on the early days of Black Sabbath [This message has been edited by Lynus302 (edited February 25, 2001).]
it's a lot of what if scenarios. Ideally, Hakeem would be fine with playing for the 1 million dollar minimum, and Webber wants to come here. Assuming Taylor wants to stay, and would be happy as the first big man off the bench, which could get a good 30 minutes per game, as he'd relieve Hakeem, or Webber in foul situations, or in spurts could play a few minutes a game at the SF spot. As our situation is now, if we renounce our free agents, we'll have enough for Webber, and to early bird Shandon. But, we'd have no Olajuwon, unless he'd sign for the minimum. If you can move Cato/KT/Los/walt or some combination of that, you can also sign Taylor with that money. And again, We do NOT have to renounce Taylor and Olajuwon in pursuit of Webber. He's not a restricted free agent. Even if he was a restricted free agent, that is the one scenario you can "unrenounce" someone. We can talk to Webber, and if he says "yeah, I'll sign with you" in mid July, we can still talk to Hakeem and ask him if he'd sign for the minimum if we were able to get CWebb, and talk to Mo, to see if he'd sign here as the 6th man if we had Hakeem coming back, and CWebb arriving. In a perfect world... 1. Rockets make playoffs, play respectably in playoffs push a tough series. (We lose our pick to Grizz by making the playoffs) 2. Steve does his recruitment thing on CWebb, and is successful. CWebb tells Kings, "I'm going to Houston, whether you cooperate or not." *3. Kings cooperate CWebb for Cato, KT, Walt, Los and a pair of future 1st rounders *4. The CWebb domino excites Mo and Hakeem, both sign up, Mo for a 2 year, 6 million deal (Bird Rights to follow), and Hakeem for the remainder of the cap space (I think it'll be around 6 mill) 5. Mooch and Shandon go Early Bird 6. Milwaukee pick lands a big man, let's say Ken Johnson Olajuwon/[Taylor]/Johnson/Collier Webber/Taylor Anderson/Langhi/[Taylor] Mobley/[Anderson and Francis] Francis/Moochie *-If you want to make it more feasible, add in Nick Anderson and his bad contract of 5.6 mill, free agent after 02/03. ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
Good post, Nike. I went and read the front page article. Looks good for us. We can trade Cato and Walt and whomever for Webber. In this case, Sacramento better not get too greedy. We can also sign him straight up. We should not give away picks. If we do a sign-and-trade, we might be able to bring back Hakeem and Mo (if these guys are willing to play for about 5 mil per). ------------------
This sumer when Mcgrady went to Orlando, it was a sign and trade for ONLY picks, how did THAT work out? Even if players were included, it wasn't matching Mcgrady salary the least bit. So can we sign and trade, for example, 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders and KT for C-Webb next year? Our picks won't be much with webber on our team. But seriously, Hakeem won't sign for the minimum in Houston. That doesn't bother me the least bit. he'll follow his quest for another title on the Blazers or Suns, and we'll take the shots we were giving to Mo and Hakeem combined to webber (cato won't shoot much). I think alongside webber would work better cause webber would then be satisfied with the number of shots. Shandon and cato won't take many shots unless they have to, and that's good enough to produce shots for webber, Francis, and Cuttino. ------------------
This sumer when Mcgrady went to Orlando, it was a sign and trade for ONLY picks, how did THAT work out? Even if players were included, it wasn't matching Mcgrady salary the least bit. So can we sign and trade, for example, 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders and KT for C-Webb next year? A team is always allowed to trade down in salary. Also, if a team can fit a players salary under the cap, then the 15% matching rule doesn't apply. So, Toronto traded off McGrady's salary and got nothing back. Since trading down is allowed they're ok. Orlando had enough cap space to fit McGrady's salary under the cap, so there was no matching rules. ------------------
After reading the Webber to Houston article on the front page, I can only help but wonder if Dream would sign for the minimum to stay on this team. At his current level of play, that would make us think Finals again! Webber to Houston would make them instant playoff contenders. I'm sorry... teams like Phoenix, Dallas, and Minnesota that are in the playoffs now wouldn't stand a chance against us. Sacramento without Webber? They would fall apart. As for signing Mo and Shandon... how could we make that work? They took paycuts for us. We need some dinero for these playas! Anyway, how about this lineup, as unlikely as it seems: Olajuwon Webber Anderson Mobley Francis Damn. If only we could find a way to trade Cato for cap space. Come on Vancouver. (again, sorry if this is a dupe thread) ------------------ [This message has been edited by rock (edited February 25, 2001).]
Actually go watch how they play without webber. They play really well and have been winning alot since he gone down. ------------------ "Break off the block like Maurice Green" --- Steve Francis President of the Moochie Norris fan club.
I really doubt it. It would be great if he would, but how many touches do you think Dream would get with Steve, Cuttino, AND Webber? Plenty of teams will be jumping at the chance to sign Dream for at least the $4 million salary exception, and Dream knows that. Dream will have a better chance going to the finals signing with a team like Miami or Phoenix than gambling on Webber signing with Houston. We have Shandon's bird rights, but I don't know what we'll do about Taylor. Now that I think about it, if we use all our cap space on Webber, I don't know how we can re-sign Taylor. Hmm.... ------------------
I think Dream will follow Barkley's lead of a couple of years ago, and sign for the minimum in order to help the team. Dream IS Houston. Playing for anyone else would be sacreligious. And if we land a big name like CWebb, then I think he'd be on board. I'm most concerned with Mo. Man, I want Mo to come back to Houston. I hope he's willing to at least listen. And I hope our front office realizes the talent he has to offer. ------------------ Founding Father of the Refs Suck Club
My thoughts exactly. Hakeem may take a million dollars and a very large wink. Two years from now, Hakeem can get his big pay check. Would that make Hakeem's last year also the first year for the new stadium? ------------------
Toast: Sorry, Dream wanted to play for Miami a couple weeks ago. If we get Webber, then Dream's going to have a very limited role as we'll have another post option. Dream has already proven he's interested in his own career as well as teh team as a whole. That's not bad, just the way it is. The only way he signs with Houston again if Webber climbs aboard is to win another ring. ------------------ Why is it that everytime BC defeats a major conference opponent, that opponent promptly goes on a losing streak? PS. Notre Dame sucks
