Florida Night Club Shooting - at least 20 dead - impact on US elections?

It appeared likely that it was an act of radical Islamic terrorism all along, but I did not see the requirements for that clearly established by the evidence until I read these passages from this article by ABC News:

So he was telling the survivors he wanted the US to stop bombing ISIS in Syria and he pledged allegiance to ISIS while on the phone by the FBI. He was apparently very knowledgeable about the history of these sorts or attacks by radical Islamic terrorists in this country. Also, he is apparently associated with some of them.

People are starting to use the term "terrorism" fast and loose, without regard for what the term actually means. But here, clearly it applies.

 

You realize he has 0 interest in debating viewpoints but much interest in taking joy in attacking you and trying to humiliate you. Save your time and energy.

 

Hey, here's a protip on what you're doing wrong.

1) I am not Sammy.
2) Asking me "Why can you not say that it is Islamic extremism when he himself said it?" when I've said Islamic extremism has played a role throughout the thread (including in direct replies to you) shows me you don't read my viewpoints. Period.

3) Beyond not reading my posts, you find ways to insert yourself in to attack on random irrelevant points like strawmen bulls**t when I'm addressing an actual argument somebody has.

4) If you hadn't been busy building strawmen of what I think, you might actually have realized I agree with you (it's a combination of factors).

You don't read what I write. You jump into conversations without understanding what's going on and pick at minutiae. You posit leading questions that aren't true, and based on your own answers to those questions, you come up with strangeass conclusions. I don't think you're interested in a discussion: you're interested in a putdown. I've responded accordingly with sarcasm and assholery.

ENJOY

If you really wanted to get back on-topic, maybe you should read what I'm saying to you and others. It's a message board after all.

 

You quoted me right before as well:

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then your famous drumroll:

Huh, did you strip the context of asking whether when he was cruising for men he was adapting Islamic extremism? And the like 5 times I've mentioned the role of radical Islam? And when I told Nook this?

No, you can't say this was Islamic extremism, cold, shut and dry. Point finale. This is a combination of things. In case my post that literally said:

Didn't resonate. You know, the one you picked at me for strawmanning.

You don't seem to be good at following trains of thought.

bonus points if you'd read more closely my discussion with Bobby:

Thanks though, I'd rather be sarcastic to you then respond with genuine points. You always show why you deserve that with gems like the one above, and the time I brought up that he couldn't be trusted because he confused Hezbollah and ISIS, and you thought I meant he couldn't be trusted because he was gay

Or as you put it, who are you to be so patronizing so as to assume what I think when I've stated otherwise?

 

Nobody that "aligns" with me seems to care.

You're the one who brings it up all the time. Maybe if you focused less on who I am and more on what I'm saying, you wouldn't be caught misunderstanding quotes that are placed out of context.

 

I'm still trying to figure out how a Sig Sauer MCX is an AR-15.

 

ATW, his father is an extremist? Was there a news story on that, or is that part of the speculation? I read he was keenly interested in Pakistani politics, but not that he's a religious extremist.

 

I've actually given you the courtesy of giving you genuine points before being sarcastic with you. You quoted me saying that radical Islam had a role to play in this before asking me why I couldn't say radical Islam had a role to play in this.

I won't comment in-depth on your Freuding, as it's based on conjecture and some broad assumptions. I think deeper thought has be placed on why this happens, but I don't find it helpful to speculate solely with the mind's eye.

I will reiterate the facts I brought up: credible eyewitnesses have placed him at the club three years before. Indications indicate that he is gay due to the submission of messages to the FBI. He seems to be confused between ISIS and Hezbollah according to James Comey--the director of the FBI. These are relevant factors to parsing out what happened, because they add nuance to the very simple explanation developing of a one-track ISIS lone wolf.

Thanks for the anecdote though!

 

My Freudian conjecture is that he would've killed himself if he weren't already imbalanced.

He could've lived any life he wanted even if his parents disowned him. Instead he took the most provocative action. Because he's American born and knows about the gratuitously massive scrutiny and attention paid to nutbag shooters, I'd presume that he knew his gay life style would've came out, whereas a suicide would've preserved his own skeletons in tact.

On some level, he chose this to spite Islam or whatever his family practiced. If he really went to the same club for three years, maybe he didn't find the support he was expecting.

Supporting bi-cultural-polar-curious doesn't seem to be an easy thing.

 

I think there's a lot more to be revealed about this man and his motivations. Clearly there is an extremist element, but there is also some sort of psychosis going on here as well.

 

So what is this bs from Obama about "we're starting to see where this [Trump rhetoric on radical Islam] can lead us"? Is he trying to blame this on Trump? Get real.

 

I think your problem is with the terrorist who did the shooting in Orlando.

When previously questioned by the FBI he told them he claimed to support the terrorist groups because he was tired or being mocked and ridiculed because of being a Muslim.

Obama didn't make that up. That's not on him. Nor was Obama saying it's on Trump. He was merely saying that we see where bigotry against Islam gets us. Trump is guilty of that. Trump doesn't know the name of nations involved with radical Islam, he doesn't know the difference between Indiana and Mexico. Trump is clueless. Obama smacked him down pretty hard today.

 

It is funny how Obama always wants to blame others for anything negative that happens, he just can't fathom taking responsibility for anything perceived as negative.....even things he once took credit for when it was perceived as a good thing.

 

What about a temporary ban on persons immigrating from countries where a majority of the population agrees with the "murder for apostasy" clause of the Koran?

 

there's "knowledgeable" and there's throwing crap against a wall to see what sticks. this dude didn't know what he supported. this is anything, but "clear".



https://www.washingtonpost.com/pb/n...fference-between-isis-al-qaeda-and-hezbollah/

 

Ah yes, I've seen this repeated over and over again, basically you are saying "Screw all of the evidence, clearly this one allegation by a co-worker that said he told him that he was part of Hezbollah 3 years ago means that he didn't know anything about Islam". Brilliant, thank you for posting it again.