Florida Night Club Shooting - at least 20 dead - impact on US elections?

This is exactly the simplistic thinking that dominates this thread. You've chosen your theory and you'll case any facts to get there, which is fine, you do you. Now his three year stay at Pulse and his asking people out on dates is either "irrelevant" or an elaborate ploy to research gay clubs.

I don't know, at least pick one if you're going to be coherent.

There are still a lot of facts that will be incoming either way or another. I thought you Trump critics would have learned a bit from disparaging the Big Don how not to shoot from the hip before everything's come in.

Now is not the time to sit down, be closed-minded, and say this is my theory and I'm sticking to it no matter what.

 

In fact it doesn't have to be one or the other, that's just what your simple mind wants to boil it down to. I've told you that his sexuality is an irrelevant factor and that there is insufficient evidence to support that conclusion, not that he's certainly not gay. He very well might have been a closet homosexual and it wouldn't matter because we know for a fact that he was a radicalized Muslim and that's the factor that led to terrorism thus it is what is relevant.

Again, you are obsessing about an irrelevant factor and it's probably due to your own background but there's just simply no reason to focus on the irrelevant over the relevant.

 

uh huh, so going to a venue for three years, having relationships with people inside the venue--that has nothing at all to do with how a killer thinks--he's Muslim after all, so that's the only truth that matters.

mmm. GJ.

Yeah, your s**tty investigational skills must have something to do with your skim-milk, timid heterosexuality.

 

There's no evidence that he ever had "relationships" with people inside the venue.....and even if there was, it would still be irrelevant because there is no causal link between closet homosexuality and terrorism.....but there is a causal link between radical Islamic beliefs and terrorism. How is that hard for you to understand? I mean there's even an established causal link between what was taught at the mosque he went to and terrorism, which is what led to him being on the FBI's radar to begin with.

How are you so feeble minded as to not understand any of this?

 

I never ask about your background, who you are, or what you're doing because I frankly don't care.

Maybe why you find personal lives coming into focus is because when you can't respond to points, you attack the person.

straight truth dude, I'm not even trying to be an ******* here.

 

To get back to the initial question that prompted this thread, I thought this was a quality read today from the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ost-orlando-attacks/575f578d981b92a22d05434d/

The writer is very much a center-right guy, so it's not a WP/Trump hit piece based on the credentialing issue. It's good analysis on why Clinton is more insulated from Trump's attacks on this subject than most Democrats would be.

 

How are you so feeble minded that you can't understand that there might be a causal link other than "ISLAM ISIS" if you're a gay man who has frequented a gay bar for three years, and built relationships with people there?

People have carried him out when he was drunk, seen him there multiple times. What pushed him over the edge? His three-year research stint on Grinder-lite?

I brought up the fact, you've spent the whole time trying to say it's irrelevant. In fact, the amount of time you spend on topics is inversely correlated with how relevant you say it is, which I suspect is how you get to 20 posts per day.

your definition of relevant seems to be different from any normal definition of the word. Yeah, when you're a client of a venue for three years and then you attack that venue, that's something to look into.

 

Well, it's hard to say.

He certainly does not fit the profile of other terrorists. He didn't seem very religious and devout. The fact that he stalked that night club for 3 years and went on gay dating apps is very unusual.

I certainly think that he had exposure to ISIS propaganda and that had some influence. It remains to be seen whether other not he was "indoctrinated" by some sort of recruiter or whether he was a nut case who found his justification.

I am not sure it totally matters 100%, but certainly it's good to know what went on with this guy.

And more concerning is his wife who did not bother to report him or intervene in any way.

 

If you want to get back on-message, you're better off inferring posts from the current thread--again

I don't want to repeat myself. You can read what I think Islamic extremism has to do with this case. This personal pissfight is going nowhere.

I think the reason why your pissfights tend to be very unproductive (and surely you've noticed that this is with LOTS of posters, not just me), is that you have this almost tragic need to attack the messenger. I could say lots of things about the things you've shared on this forum and your demonstrated behavior, but I choose not to. It's not a courtesy others give you often, I've noticed.

 

lol

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so dangerous.

 

Fair enough. I am seeing this act as both. To each and their own. He has accomplished his goal to inject fear to people. That much I agree with you on. I am on the fence on whether this is something we can label as "for Allah" kind of justification rather than "I really hate homosexuals". Maybe I'm putting too much weight on the terrorist's father saying that his son got really angry over the PDAs displayed by a couple at the mall prior to this attack. That statement and his past behaviors of him being violent and overly sensitive was why I believe that this is a hate crime. I understand that the teaching of the religion and the culture of the people caused him to be like this. However, it's another thing to have a history of psychological and mental instability to let one incident put you over the top in committing these horrible acts.

Also to note, I am not sure about him having the Grinder app and hanging out at the nightclub in order to "case the joint" makes complete sense but it's definitely a theory that needs to be looked into.

Good points. Some of the statements you made, I didn't know about prior. I'm basing a lot of my conclusions from his ex-wife and father points of view in their interviews/talk on Sunday and yesterday so I could totally be in the wrong about my conclusions. Ex said that he was mentally unstable, not overly religious, and constantly resort to violence. Father talked about that PDA incident and goes on about how ISIS is an enemy of humanity or something like that. The PDA incident prior to the attack is a pretty significant weight on why I thought this went down.

Like I mentioned above and I probably should've been clearer, I agree that this is a terrorist attack since his goal was the put fear into people but the motive leading up to the attack is still unclear.

 

I told you to guess/infer my answers/thoughts as you've been doing throughout this thread and you responded by asking if I was on drugs.

yeah, I really want to have genuine dialogue with you.

Want to get back on-message? Infer what I'd say. You've been doing it this entire thread. It'd be more on-message than this bizarre tirade of personal references.

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Omar Mateen's ex-wife says he was &quot;mentally ill,&quot; abused steroids and showed no signs of religious radicalism <a href="https://t.co/v9HGxHBy0r">https://t.co/v9HGxHBy0r</a></p>&mdash; Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/742371653032783872">June 13, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So far, multiple accounts of Mateen's mental illness &amp; no real links to ISIS. US &amp; IS media have convinced America its the other way around.</p>&mdash; Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/742375980036149248">June 13, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The image of Mateen as hardcore ISIS ideologue conveniently makes his homophobia seem exceptional &amp; foreign to mainstream American culture.</p>&mdash; Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/742385432885878785">June 13, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I've written enough in this thread so that you would know where I stand on the topic and what you presented. It's a message board, not a chatroom ATW--if you're that interested in my views on the topic, I suggest you read them instead of asking me to repeat myself to correct your reading comprehension.

Start with this question, which I've addressed multiple times:

search Islamic extremism and me in this thread, thanks.

 

Good old Max....... son of Sidney......

Sidney is about as attached to Hilary Clinton's ass as possible.

Lied under oath for Bill and Hilary 20 years ago.

Anyone that wants to know about good ole Max only needs to remember him comparing American SEAL Chris Kyle to the DC Sniper.

He has long argued that there is a widespread Islamaphobic campaign and many other bat **** crazy thoughts.