Florida Night Club Shooting - at least 20 dead - impact on US elections?

That would sound like a pretty good way to find out where gay men would go to have a beer with someone they wanted to go on a date with wouldn't it? If you didn't know the popular gay bars in an area, wouldn't that be the easiest way to find out?

I mean, I don't care one way or the other if the guy really was a closet homosexual, but I'm just saying that there's not a whole lot of evidence pointing in that direction while there is a ton of evidence suggesting that he was a radicalized Muslim that was planning an attack for a long time. IMO it changes nothing if he was a closet homosexual on top of being a radicalized Muslim.

 

From the tweet posted above...

Male former police academy classmate of Omar Mateen says he was gay, went to gay clubs with him, asked him out. http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/n...assma/nrfwW/?ecmp=pbp_social_twitter_2015_sfp …

...i um, think he was a not-so-closeted homosexual based on the evidence.

 

Okay, even if we accept that, what in your mind does it change? My point is that if he was a closet homosexual on top of being a radicalized Muslim it's no different than if he wasn't a closet homosexual and was only a radicalized Muslim.

 

the question "why does a gay man with an incoherent notion of extremist Islam want to kill other gay men" has more complexity to it then "why does an ISIS member want to kill gay men". The second has a fairly clear answer. The first doesn't.

Knowing more about the perpetrator means

1) You can't take what he says at face value.
2) Some of his motive must have stemmed from self-hate.

These are all important facts to consider when you look at motive, especially since most of the initial furor is over his stated motive.

 

Now we have another shooting situation at a Walmart in Amarillo

 

You might mean something else that I'm not understanding?

I don't know how someone become violent to this level without influence from extremist sources? Maybe you mean specifically ISIS sources. I don't think it matters that much to policy. Got to block as many of them as possible and really, we should be doing something about preacher of extreme hate and violence within the US.

 

He has a long connection with radical Islam, it's well documented. Maybe you want to focus on his sexual orientation because of issues in your private life, but that is really irrelevant in this case.

The fact that he was enamored with radical Islam is relevant to him committing a terrorist act, him potentially being confused about or denying his sexuality is not.

Also, no one is taking what he says at face value, his ties to radical Islam are well documented and I don't think anyone believes he was actually a member of ISIS, he was merely inspired by them and that's why he pledged allegiance to them.

 

What was his source of hate for gays? Was it a rejection from them, was it his own personal issues, or was it indoctrination?

 

He has a long connection with Pulse too--as long, or almost as long as his documented connection to radical Islam. And no, this wasn't casing the joint, this was being gay and asking men out, but being awkward about it. I don't know why you'd overlook that part of his motive. I can acknowledge the influences of extremist Islam, but to stop there is willfully settling for a over-simplistic narrative.

And yeah, seeing as his allegiance to ISIS or his allegiance to Hezbollah seems to come from whatever is running on CNN's front news, I don't really think you can argue his ties to radical Islam were as strong as his ties to incoherence.

He was so radical in his Islamism, he didn't understand the difference between Shias and Sunnis, and he asked men out on the regular.

I have no issues with my sexuality Bobby, btw lol, but thanks for the inference. double the dates, my man. please try to keep to the subject, not to the person.

 

He was gay. Point blank

 

Wow, you really can push a narrative no matter how little you have to go on. If you want to ignore all of the evidence that paints this guy as an extremist that's fine, but I don't see a point in continuing a conversation with someone that is only here to push a narrative.

We know that his religious radicalization is something that could absolutely lead to him heading to a club and murdering as many people as possible and pledging his allegiance to ISIS, but apparently you think him being gay is a more likely reason for his actions.....because...?

I suppose we should be on the lookout for gay men because apparently being gay leads to terrorism in your mind.

 

There's a rumor that club owner is changing its name from Pulse Club to Flat line club. is this true?

 

After we fully determine the shooter's sexuality we need to move on to other incredibly relevant things like if he preferred PS4 or Xbox One. I mean, we won't really understand his motives until we figure that one out.

Did he buy American or foreign?

Boxers or briefs?

Taco Bell or McDonald's?

Coke or Pepsi?

These are the hard hitting relevant facts of the case we should focus on.

 

I guess you'd make a sorry ass detective since finding motive is like one of the most important parts of building an investigation. The shooter seemed to be a regular patron at the murder scene along with knowing some of the clientele. That's reverent **** Mr. Magoo.

 

Oh absolutely he was.


If you look at his Twitter, it basically reads like a breaking news report, in regards to his first tweet after it happened. Smartly, someone deleted the part sayingsaying, "See! We should ban ALL Muslims, and then kick out the Mexicans."

 

Which is why I'm suggesting that we look at the most relevant facts when it comes to finding motive, we should focus on the shooter's sexuality, his soda preference, his game console preference, his underwear preference, and his fast food preference while ignoring his stated motive and all of his ties to extremism.

 

Uh?

I'm not ignoring the evidence of the effect of radical Islam, but you seem to be ignoring the evidence that the killer had a long relationship with the venue he targeted, that he was gay, and that he was incoherent in his view of Islam.

To what end, I don't know, but hey.

Oh yeah, all gay men are terrorists, Bobby.

Trying to add nuance to a closed mind, is, to borrow a phrase, like building on quicksand.

 

or you know, the fact that he frequented the venue he targeted for three years as one of its clients, and the fact that his "stated beliefs" are incoherent.

 

He was a supporter of militant Islam. Point blank.

 

I think the fasting has gotten to your head.