Florida Night Club Shooting - at least 20 dead - impact on US elections?

Because there's no place for complicated situations, everything has to be 100% one thing or the other.

 

Yeah, it's always the ol' slippery slope argument. "First they ban AR-15s, next thing you know they'll take all our guns and put us in FEMA camps!!!" It's so hypothetical and absurd that you can't really counter it.

I'm not anti-gun, but I'd be for banning the AR-15. If for no other reason than because it seems like it's the weapon of choice for just about every mass shooting in the news these days.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people....but guns make it a helluva lot easier for them.

 

Well people are dreaming up their own narratives and ignoring facts, like how he cased not just this nightclub but also Disney before the attack and the links to extremists and his web browsing history that indicated he was very likely an extremist himself due to a heavy consumption of "jihadist propaganda" including that he frequently watched videos of ISIS beheadings.

 

Statistically AR-15's are used in only a small number of mass shootings and when assault rifles were banned not that long ago they determined it had no effect whatsoever. Of course, people are looking to ban something just to ban something and "assault rifles" are the left's favorite boogieman so of course they'll try to do it again despite the fact that it'll have little to no positive effect.

 

The frequency of homosexuals pledging allegiance to ISIS and killing 50 people. Duh.

 

Omar Mateen's Wife Tried to Talk Him Out of Orlando Attack, Sources Say

 

So.........she is in custody or?

 

not yet

 

Story from NBC says she is cooperating with investigators.

 

It's a bit ****ing late for that.

Sadly, this happens every time. See post #5.

 

Can you substantiate how anyone is absolving radicalism? Because right now you sound like Donald Trump.

 

People are lazy thinkers. They prefer to cling to their preferred narrative, even in the face of obvious clues that suggest otherwise.

 

To the extent that this guy had an "ideology", it was a hella confused one.

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/omar...een-islamic-state-al-qaida-hezbollah-1.414490

I am glad that people are looking past the usual bugaboo of mental illness to root causes (which should happen much more often). People should apply this analysis to every mass shooting. Mental illness should never be an excuse to deeply examine why people commit atrocities.

 

Christopher Hitchens discussed the odd need for liberals to rationalize in order to make reality fit what they want reality to be.

It is very dangerous IMO.

I agree with liberals on many issues, but the desire to bury ones head in the sand and not acknowledge what is happening and has happened is baffling to me.

The Florida shooter has been investigated for ties to extremist Islam.

The US government received tips for the last few years that he was listening/interested in extremist Islam.

He gets in trouble for supporting the 9/11 tragedy years ago while still in school.

He actively pursues police training.

He called 9/11 DURING the attack and pledged allegiance to ISIS, pledged support for the Boston Bombers and other terrorist attacks.

I am not sure what else you possibly need to know what his motives/opinions are.

 

Can you source that? I haven't read anything about Disney World. I'm just curious.

People are so eager to place this into their preferred binary when both things can be true: he was a self-loathing homosexual who was brought up with a faith that encouraged violence against himself and others for that reason. In ISIS he found an ideology promising eternal rewards for savage violence against the people living a life he was too afraid to live himself.

 

It was all over CNN last night.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html

 

Ah, thanks. I was watching the Finals game last night.

 

The fact that he may have been gay, for a very long time, doesn't seem to reconcile with an extremist interpretation of Islam and is very much a part of the story.

Sure, he is an Islamic extremist. An Islamic extremist who closeted himself, declared himself a member of both Hezbollah and ISIS, and abused his wife.

Stopping at "he's an Islamic extremist, that's the only thing that matters" is as much of a bugaboo as stopping at "mental illness" to explain why mass shootings happen so much in America.

 

It's always very dangerous and damaging to bury one head in the sand. I'm quite sure that behavior doesn't belong to any one political lending. But that doesn't mean everything is very simple and taking a deeper look = burying head in the sand. In fact, it's digging out of sand.

This case seems quite simple on the surface. A conflicted gay ISIS terrorist. But how he got there is interesting and worth while to understand (at least to those that curious in the inner working of these type of people).