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Muslims in Germany demand the right to make the University of Berlin into a mosque

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, May 27, 2016.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Whoever the guy is, he "probably" does not believe that, because only a complete moron like you and a couple of others on this thread would believe that anyone would believe that. You are basing your argument on a strawman: "This guy PROBABLY BELIEVES"... weak sauce.
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    I don't think you understand the concept of separation of church and state.

    Here is an example of a violation of church and state in a school setting: Class begins. Teacher or student leads a class prayer.

    Key word here is 'state'. Allowing INDIVIDUALS to pray on public property isn't a violation of 'church and state'. The violation of church can only be violated if the STATE violates it, but if an individual wants to pray in a public university.

    If these students requested that they be able to recite the Quran at the beginning of their Differential Equations class, that is obviously a violation of church and state.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    So why would you make that your title? Dude, you know if you were a tad more rational and not as sensationalized, people would hear you out more. There is a reason why some posters actually are willing to engage in a rational conversation with me when I **** on Islam from time to time because I'm rational on these matters.
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    For me, the line is simple: No religious activity on school grounds. But it's of course up to the school to decide where they draw the line. I would certainly draw it where I find out that a room I provided in good faith is used to promote hateful "values", and discrimination takes place in that very room.
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    I copied and pasted it from the site I copied the video from (which is what I usually do). But again, I don't see anything wrong with the title. Did you watch the video?
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    You don't? Really? Making exaggerated claims that isn't in the realm of reality is okay in a rational discussion?
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    It's very likely that I understand it much better than you. I am admitted to the bar in two countries and extensively studied (although a long time ago) comparative constitutional law.

    Making school grounds available for religious activities of one religion, but not all others, is already where you start furthering the promotion of one religion over others, and thereby not being neutral as a state anymore.
     
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    You should ask that question to any newspaper (especially in the age of social media, where even traditionally serious newspapers resort to more sensationalist headlines in order to get clicks). Again, it's called headline hyperbole. Apparently it worked, since you clicked on this thread.
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    That's pretty ****ing draconian. So INDIVIDUALS cannot pray on their own time in a private room?
     
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    Nobody is stopping you from praying individually. That doesn't mean I have to provide you with a designated room to do it.
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    So where was it implied that other religions don't have the same right?
     
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    lol, dawg chill. you've made yourself clear. yes yes, you don't like the content of their rally, but you'll support the format even if it is "large" and "public" and "ostentatious". You then asked me a question which I clarified.

    I have no problem with the content or the format of a KKK rally so long as it is peaceful. That's what I was elaborating. People have stupid ideas. Ideas go through a marketplace. Stupid ideas die with stupid people. I don't think any idea should be taboo to discuss or think inherently, and I can consider ideas extremists hold and laugh about them from dissecting them from a rational, data-driven point of view.

    Anyways, carry on ;)
     
  13. dmoneybangbang

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    The truth always seem to have a way to shine though.



    I have googled it.

    YOUR title says "demand the right to make the University of Berlin into a mosque". It's YOUR hyperbole you are pushing to prop up your argument. You were called out on it, got defensive, deflected the blame away from other posters, and got called out on it again.

    At least you have admitted you are using hyperbole to prop up your argument.
     
  14. fchowd0311

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    You can ask and if denied you can perform you CIVIL RIGHT to protest.
     
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    Interesting. You have no problem with the content of a KKK speech.
     
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    Good. So you have learned something today. Now, do you have an opinion on whether the University of Berlin should have to provide a prayer room to Muslims, because that is the topic of the thread. Otherwise, GTFO.
     
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    Thanks for admitting how gullible you are and how you just believe anything that suits your perspective. That was big of you.
     
  18. AroundTheWorld

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    Correct.

    However, if you are a guest in someone else's house, DEMAND something, don't get it, then throw a hissy fit and stomp your foot and KEEP DEMANDING IT AGAIN AND AGAIN, do you think it endears you to your host?

    One thing is what you are entitled to legally (not the prayer room, but the right to protest, within legal rules), the other thing is how this shapes the perception of you by others.

    It may be their legal right to protest, it is my legal right to dislike them for it. And trust me, so does the majority of those who follow this issue.
     
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    Scared to acknowledge the rest of what I said? I don't blame you.

    Well now that we have cleared up that Muslims aren't demanding the University of Berlin to become a mosque then I have no problem with prayer rooms.
     
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    Out of their own self interest, I would imagine the school would want to do it anyways that way you can actually control the flow of praying Muslims so they aren't all over the school's lawns... Why not just isolate it to one room? I mean, they are going to pray regardless unless you want to force de-convert them or not accept any more Muslim students.

    Just don't mind me here. I'm just trying to use some common sense.
     

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