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In Defense of More Howard Post Touches

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by eqsharp, May 23, 2016.

  1. eqsharp

    eqsharp Member

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    That's assuming that a more efficient shot than a Howard post up is coming later in the shot clock. And you can't know that with certainty. The only thing you can do is avoid giving Brewer a shot at all by taking another more efficient shot first. And Howard's post game falls in that category.
     
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    I wouldn't necessarily say he quit. His exact words were "seem disinterested ".
    The truth is, the majority of Clutchfans agree with him. Many of us are not fans of ISOBall and we're screaming all season for Harden to pass the ball.
     
  3. Vivi

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    This is true, but it's also true that he has zero mobility at this point, he's pretty slow in every kind of movement, slow in react...if you can't pass him the ball over the head or in the chest he can't catch...he can't bend, he can't stretch, he can't change direction while he's running...
     
  4. SF3isBack!!

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    He would just get fouled or not catch the pass. You have to pass it perfectly to Howard he is a limited, low skilled offensive player. Throw it to Dream anywhere and he'll catch it, no so for Howard.
     
  5. SF3isBack!!

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    No Howard said he was disinterested and quit, he said he was upset and took himself out of game. Harden said he was tired and physically unable to do it because he's asked to do so much. He never said he quit. I know because I've seen the quotes. Anyway we had this discussion already in another thread.and all of this has been beaten to death already. This thread is just a post full of rehashed things already proven wrong. It's just a last ditch effort for people defending Dwight but he's not saying anything in his defense that hasn't been discussed thoroughly at this point and proven false.
     
  6. SF3isBack!!

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    I would love to get rid of Brewer too. Please Morey make it happen. So basically the OP just made it evident that Brewer and Howard are our two worst options on offense but is in favor of giving it to Howard on the post. How about we do neither? How many people this year were beggin to see more Corey Brewer threes? or hell to even see Corey Brewer at all. Definitely not me, lol.
     
  7. eqsharp

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    So Brewer took nearly 7 shots a game on "accident?" LOL. I'm not buying it. Those shots can be replaced.
     
  8. Os Trigonum

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    man, an awful lot of **** gets posted under the moniker of SF3isBack, but this one takes the cake. Is there any possible chance that you could engage in a rational conversation with ANYONE without piling on the ad hominem abuse? Just make your point without questioning other posters' character or motivation.
     
  9. SF3isBack!!

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    Haven't you had enough? Just let it go OK. I know I embarrassed you in another thread but do me a favor. Get off my ass. In the mean time try to learn how to submit a substantive post on the subject instead of hanging all of my nuts, Im not into that ****.
     
  10. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    If Dwight could actually make his FT's then yeah... throw it into the post all day. Problem is he is at a point in his career where he can't even rise up strong and dunk it through contact. That means he will either lose the ball, miss the shot, or get fouled and usually miss both FT's. That's why we have gone away from Dwight. He has to make it statistically worth it, beyond putting the other team in foul trouble...
     
  11. aelliott

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    Nobody said that. Corey Brewer sucked this year, everyone knows that. He shot the ball worse than any season of his career. Nobody wants Corey Brewer shooting the ball but he does because teams leave him open.

    The inefficient shots that you posted include 3.5 shots by Brewer not 7. Of those 3.5 shots, the bulk of them (2.7) are 3 pointers. If you want to argue that Brewer shouldn't take any 3's then that might be the one thing on CC.Net that you can get concensus on. Nobody wants Brewer to shoot 3's. In fact most people don't event want Brewer in the game (or on the team for that matter).

    The thing is that if Brewer doesn't take those 3's then they need to be replaced by something way more efficient than a Dwight postup. That would be most any planned shot by any player not named Brewer.

    Once you remove the 2.7 3's that Brewer takes, the remaining shots are likely late in shot clock.

    The bulk of the shots that you cited were unplanned shots that can't be reallocated. The exception to that is Brewer 3's which should be taken by someone more efficient, not by Howard postups.
     
  12. Verbal Christ

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    The vitriol wont allow the brokenhearted to engage in an objective debate. Howard has really hurt some feelings. Funny part as the OP is trying to show is that most of it was self inflicted and yet 'fans' need that scapegoat. They need someone to blame. NO WAY can it be Harden he's perfect and without flaws. NO WAY can it be management. NO WAY can it be the worst supporting cast that I can remember. **** even Tmac and Yao had more help and everyone always says how crappy their teammates were.

    This team failed Dwight. Go ahead and hold this last half season against him and expect him to be 'professional' amidst a ****storm. Everyone should be blamed for how awful this year went. Be sure you dont bring up how valuable Dwight had been in the playoffs the last 2 years okay, or how much energy he brought back to the ballclub upon his signing. How many "holy crap he almost tore the rim off" dunk highlights he graced us with after all the below the rim stuff that had been the norm for the club.

    Dwight's gone, I get it, but I wont let a few brats with their Rocket Fan #1 entitlements to ruin what he brought to the team. He was a great Rocket.
     
  13. SF3isBack!!

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    Another post painting Dwight a 30 year old man who literally quit when he didn't get his way as the victim. The true victims here are fans like yourself you believe in the idiot who for some reason still has you fooled. It's been three teams now, he's done this at three teams this isn't vitriol it's not coincidence it's the truth. This is what Dwight does It sounds like vitriol to you because the truth hurts. I was a diehard fan of Dwight's just 8 months ago. This is not simply a "Dwight has Haters" issue.
     
  14. dkoune

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    Seriously, the poor guy is worthless 80 percent of the time on offense when he isnt catching alleys from someone. Guy wasted ten years of his career not working on his post game and jumper and is delusional now thinking he is worth a max contract when he cant play D no more. Sigh what a waste.
     
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    All I can say is WOW!!! What an asinine thread. Samfisher's Game of Thrones reference is the only saving grace to this entire thread posted by a misguided Harden hating fan who actually thinks Howard should post up more????? Wow!!!!!!
     
  16. vlaurelio

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    Harden's the only brightspot here. Rockets are a contender because of him not inspite of him. Replace Harden with Steph or WB and Rockets still barely make it the POs and gets booted out in the first round. F*n idiots
     
  17. JCDenton

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    This is just flat out wrong you charlatan. You can't divide player shot attempts by team shot attempts that way because every player doesn't play every game. It's the same reason that if you add up MPG for all the players on the team, it will be greater than the total number of minutes played.

    With that in mind, significantly less than 22.6% of Rockets shots were less efficient than a Howard post-up. How much less, I cannot say without all the data. However, even being extremely, extremely charitable in my assumptions and using a 20% number, why would we want to have more shot attempts in the bottom 1/5 of efficiency? I cringed when reading most of the shot types on the list. Is the argument that we should take long 2's away from Ariza to give Howard post-ups? Ariza isn't shooting long 2's by design anyway, so it's doubtable that the "choice" really exists. Your "analysis" shows that he takes one long 2 per game--that could easily be a shot clock driven situation.

    Honestly, you really should have your work peer reviewed by a master statician like me before you publish it. You've made a fool of yourself by using a mathematically flawed model. I'm not going to warn you about this again.

    Denton Out.
     
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    He demanded McHale to get fired and Howard to get traded.

    And Harden is always quitting on the defensive end. If you didn't witness that you're just a blind Harden Homer.
     
  19. Os Trigonum

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    ouch. :grin:

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  20. Harden's beard

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    pretty much this.
     

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