Tex Winter Ranks Eric Snow, Tinsley, Bremer, + more ahead of SF!

Its so freakin disgusting and truly extreme when people say that steve is better than bremer!!!!!!!!!!!! What a ****ing LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Untill Francis shows improvement in these facets of the game: "...uncontrolled, sloppy play, poor decision making, inability to run an efficient offense, zero court vision, questionable leadership and an overall lacking in true basketball knowledge." every thread that mentions Francis is grounds for "Francis bashing"!

 

Francis has tried to make fans with highlight reels and stat sheets. True NBA stars are made with wins, playoffs, and championships. Real NBA stars display a complete game. They don't consistently make stupid turnovers. They play defense. They don't go one on five. They have timing, court presence, and great vision. Most have a consistent shot and make crisp accurate passes. Steve has convinced some of you with PR techniques. He will have to convince the rest of us (including Tex Winter) by his play on the court.

 

Ya, I agree with you Francis is about the equivalent of the Lakers bench (though nothing more, nothing less)

 

You're right but i think he is a little better than whatever the Lakers have on their bench atleast he's making more money than their bench...

 

Some of you people are pathetic. It's as if you believe Francis deserves none of the credit when the Rockets win, but all of the blame when they lose.

I mean sweet mother of crap, comparing Francis to the Laker's BENCH!?!?!?

And the crap about the highlight reel is starting to get very old and repetitive. Of all the games I watched this year, I rarely saw Francis really try to light up the crowd with his hops or handles unless it was the All-Star game. That complaint is becoming entirely baseless.

Turnovers and flashiness are not always corelated. Case in point: Jason Kidd.

Anyways, if you can't love Francis, you can't love the Rockets, so I don't see the point of you being here.

 

We'll have to just wait and see if JVG puts a stop to all of this from Stevie "Franchise". I'm not too optimistic, however, because there have already been rumblings from Francis directed toward JVG on what his "role" on the team should be and that the offense should be run through him and not Yao Ming. This could be shaping up to be a test of JVG's authority and I can't wait to see how this shakes out.

Oh, and I agree with DavidS. Folks here got all riled up and are getting their panties in a bunch over a frickin' LIST put out by Tex Winter. No one here - especially Rocket fans - should have any reason at all to give a flying f*ck about what Tex Winter thinks or doesn't think.

 

I don't think the quarter back is supposed to run any damn offense he likes. It is upto his offensive coaches to design plays for the team to run. So after 4 years under Rudy's "offense" that never changed, how do expect Francis to improve as a pg? Zero court vision? I beg to differ, Francis has proven to me that he can find the open man but not inside on a consistant basis.... taking me back to the "Rudy offense" which didn't include fast breaks and cutting to the hole, as it seems...

I can't wait for JVG to get this team back on top of things and all the b*tchin will come to a stop! Bring on da Fakers!

 

I sometimes wonder how in the world Francis even made it to the NBA. 20/6/6? Please, any high school shmoe could put up those numbers. All we're interested in is how he got those numbers. I mean, it sure can't be because of skill. *gasp* did i just mention skill in the same paragraph as Francis? Sorry egn, won't happen again.

J.R. Bremer's 8/2/2, Snow's 13/3.7/6.6, and Arenas' 15/4/5 are all obviously greater and better than Steve's numbers because they all get their numbers in the right way. See? It's how you get your numbers. Trust me.

 

Exactly how most of us... including myself think about this rediculous thread. AMEN!

 

I've seen alot of diffrent rankings, but I have always seen Steve in at least the top 5 for point guards.

 

Quote:
"I think hes holding a grudge from the 44 sf dropped on them on international tv"


I seriously doubt Tex Winter with all his knowledge and rings gives TWO SH*TS about some fool who scored 44 on them. I'm sure no one has ever put up 40 plus points on a team affiliated with Tex Winter


And by the way, what did Steve Francis do the next game versus San Antonio? Oh that's right.... he was 1-12 with 4 pts!

 

I think the list is wrong and Steve deserves more credit for his ability but I have to agree with DavidS on this point to some degree. You can't expect too much leadership from a rookie especially with Dream still on the team and its hard to fault Steve for the season with all the injuries but last season is all Steve and we were mediocre at best.

Maybe this is more true...

Last season = Francis mediocre leadership

I still have my doubts about whether or not Francis really knows what it means to be a leader. Ifwe see Steve complaining about JVG anytime during this season I will have no doubts. If Steve is the leader of this team then he needs to jump on board with JVG and all he is about for a full season and make sure the rest of the team is right there with him.

 

But were those rankings made by the ancient, 79 year old inventor of the triangle offense? Didn't think so.

 

Steve is the best guard (PG/ Combo) the Rockets have ever had. That includes Lucas, Murphy, Cassel ...

He is probably the 2nd, 3rd best player the Rockets ever had after Hakeem, Moses.

What wrong with Steve is that he knows he is good.

He does not know that him, being the best player on the team, taking a bad shot, making a bad decision ... is not as good as a 5th best player on the team taking a good shot.

 

6 pages into this thread and someone finally nails it. this is precisely why steve is "ranked" where he is with tex winter. all you stat-mongers fail to see that steve going 20/6/6 and not utilizing his teammates correctly is much less valuable than jr bremer playing within himself and utilizing paul pierce. could bremer do more? sure. could he put up francis' #s? almost certainly not. but within the concept of his team, he does the best he can.

francis, for all the talent he has, is still underachieving. all the "rudy lovers" on this bbs should remember the statement made when francis was acquired. rudy said steve had the "talent to be one of the great one to ever play. he could redefine the position." at first, i thought it was typical hyperbole, but after watching steve for years, i see that rudy was right. steve does have that kind of talent. unfortunately, his "grey matter" is not nearly as strong as his physical abilities. his "desire" to win apparently does not include a "desire" to play defense...a key from any leader of any team.

98% of the people in this thread continually refer to steve's "stats", but fail to mention this key stat: zero.

that's the number of playoff appearances steve has. for all the talent steve has, he should have led this team to the playoffs at least once. can anyone here argue with this statement: if steve actually

1. gave a sh*t about playing defense
2. ran a fast break correctly
3. utilized a pick correctly
4. learned where, when, and how his teammates liked the ball

we would have made the playoffs at least once?

of course, that's a lot of weight to carry, but guess what? that's the load a leader has...especially one of steve's considerable talent. to this point, he hasn't carried it - despite the #s. until he shows that he's willing to get 100% out of the talent he has, there is only one number that matters, and that is "zero".

jr bremer + a legit star > steve francis and spectators.

period. there. i said it.

 

Yeah, he has not had playoff success like Andre Miller or Gilbert Arenas or Jason Terry, or even his fabled draft classmates like steady Lamar Odom, and Dream Team, All Universe Power Forward Elton Brand.

Cuts both ways.

 

do miller, arenas, or terry have francis' talent?

 

I don't know, do they?

 

They have all underachieved and don't deserve to be ranked ahead of Steve. You act like Tex was sitting down, figuring out a success to potential ratio, when the talent and achievement differences between these players are so close to being immeasurable.

Damn, you people are coming up with some grade-A bullsh*t. Face it guys, Tex's old, senile, ass simply forgot Steve. That's it. End of story.

Man, this is a dumbass thread.

(I know, I know, wtf am I posting in it then? )