I didn't realize that the GOP'ers are all dissing Hillary because she is not for free four year tuition or national health care, likes elective regime change wars, accepts Wall Street superpac money etc. As far as taking progrews progressive voters for granted figuring they have no where else to go that has been the Clinton/ DLC plan forever.
You should probably offer some facts or examples if you want to make this claim in the Bernie thread. I don't think anyone has ever reported any, just 50 years of selfless service to social justice. It kind of make you the fool. But fools are loud and proud in 2016 I guess.
This is the thing that confuses me about Sanders supporters. You kids love bragging about how you're more educated than the older generation, how every piece of information is at the tip of your fingers through the power of the internet, and yet you don't bother to research your own candidate
Man, you Republicans sure know how to engage in some despicable acts of character assassination. You're calling Sanders dishonest? Are you kidding me? Apparently you need a dose of reality. I'll recommend to you some Youtube entertainment called "13 straight minutes of HRC lying.'' How anyone with the brain equivalent to that of a chimp can stand to watch this woman for more than a minute without feeling the need to take a shower to clean off the slime is beyond me.
How are the Republicans anti-Sanders? They freaking love him. All right win mags are fawning over Sanders in order to turn his supporters fully against Hilary. Only normal democrats are annoyed at him. Republicans are praying like hell that Sanders become the nominee.
Not really. Why bother with Sanders when they have Trump AND an establishment right of center nominee in Hillary?
[Premium Post] FBI Suspect Hillary Clinton is in a very precarious position at the moment. She is enduring a double penetration of attacks from both Bernie and Donald J Trump. Now with Bill being rightfully branded a rapist, he runs the risk of getting completely buried in the election cycle. Her only hope at this point would be for Barry to continue to hit the Ellen/Fallon/YouTube circuit to play cute to try to drive up his favorables to make himself a useful campaigner for her. And if she loses the FBI Primary and is indicted, the double penetration of attacks will turn into a complete explosion in her face. Chaos will descend upon the Democrats as Bernie and Hairplugs Biden jockey for position to grab the nomination. This is exactly why the Democrats and the media should not have promoted Donald J Trump during the primaries. There is a quite good chance that President Trump is taking the oath of office in January. GOOD DAY
It sounds like anger dominates a good portion of your life. What I imagine IRL Trader Jorge to look like: Spoiler
Here are some excerpts from a good article talking about how Clintonism aka the DLC. Wall Street take over of what was before the party of the working people/ FDR has essentially ended, but the remnants can probably hold on and put Hillary in office. Make No Mistake, Sandersism Has Defeated Clintonism http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/make-no-mistake-sanderism_b_10008136.htm The point being this: the ideological revolution within the Democratic Party has already happened, and Sandersism won. The only question now is how long Democrats and the country will have to wait to see its gains in real-time. A Clinton presidency would forestall those gains somewhat less than a Trump presidency would, but the fact remains that either a Clinton or a Trump administration would merely delay the inevitable “New New Deal” America has richly earned and will ultimately receive. It’s not just me saying this, nor is it merely Sanders supporters. No less a staunch Clinton ally than David Axelrod said on CNN two weeks ago that not only is the “debate over” regarding the ideological future of the Democratic Party, it was actually over a long time ago. And Bernie Sanders won it. It was over when a 74-year-old independent socialist with no super-PAC or name recognition went from 4 percent in the polls at the beginning of 2015 to — within 13 months — a statistical dead heat with the most powerful political machine in the history of American democracy. Let’s be clear: the Clintons aren’t merely the most politically successful husband-and-wife team in American history; they’re not merely the scions of a family that has, for a quarter-century, been the most politically influential in the Democratic Party; they literally remade the party into their own image more than two decades ago. The Democratic Party today is Clintonism. And when Bernie Sanders declared what was ostensibly a fringe candidacy last spring, he was in no uncertain terms — not even the Clintons doubted it — declaring war on the Democratic Party as the Clintons had made it. He was, in short, declaring a return to the politics of FDR and the Democratic Party of the New Deal. . The fact remains that any support she now has with voters under 45 — which is to say, barely any — was gained on the explicit presumption that she could deliver on a Sandersist legislative agenda in Washington. Should she do as she definitely plans to do — drop everything she’s adopted from Sanders should she get into the White House — she’ll face another legitimate progressive challenger in 2020 What’s even more astonishing is that not only has Clinton stolen most of Sanders’ campaign agenda, she’s also stolen many of his best lines. Reporters frequently note that Clinton’s best-received speeches easily could have been delivered (and, indeed, previously had been, to much larger crowds) by Sanders.
HO HO HO ShamFisher, good friend, how are you? You must be quite nervous when you ponder the ramifications of a Trump Administration. Barry Soetoro's legacy will be trashed, his policies destroyed, and perhaps more importantly, his secrets will be revealed. The teams of journalists, lawyers, and political operatives who have worked so hard to hide his past and mask his misdeeds will be cast aside and Barry will be EXPOSED for the fraud that he is. He will go down in history as a complete and utter failure. That must concern you greatly, given your emotional investment in Mr. Soetoro's career. In other news, what do you make of Hillaroid losing independents to Donald J Trump by such a wide margin? GOOD DAY
Conquistador, do you have a .mpeg video you can share with me of Michelle's "whitey" tape? I've been looking forward to it for so long now and am available to send some Bitcoins to either yourself or any necessary Mexican industrialists.
Exhibit B: the classic BernieBro. Anyone even a millimeter to the right of the dear leader must be a "Republican" (or "neoliberal" when they're feeling generous). I called Bernie out for his lies the moment he started claiming that he could give everyone 100% free health care and university education financed by a massive tax plan that would add up with 5% annualized economic growth. It only became clearer when he started stating outright lies about his opponent, e.g "she said I was unqualified" and "she was bought and paid for by the fossil fuel industry".
Is "I'ma gon build a wall" a lie? probably, more so than an outline of political/financial goals. The fact is, campaign rhetoric is about framing philosophies, more the overall picture of how the candidate wishes the nation would trend. The messiness of actual legislation means no presidential candidate actually believes they can force issues through gridlock. But you shouldn't come in to the Bernie thread with that juvenile rhetoric and expect even as reasonable response as I gave. Take BS to the Trump thread where baseless confrontational accusations are the norm.
No, I will call it for what it is, which is what people somehow are incapable of doing when it's political season. You want more whoppers from Mr. Sanders? Let's see... "She only won Southern states... The Southern states distorted the reality of the race... she only wins closed primaries... We win when turnout is high... My voters were disenfranchised in New York... Planned Parenthood are part of the establishment... The Pope invited me to the Vatican... " shall I go on?
Not at all worried about beating Trump. As far as being "far left", what I realize is that there are plenty of good Americans who are on the far left end of the spectrum, and there are good Americans who are on the far right end too. They may be sadly mistaken on many issues in my opinion, but they are Americans too and most of them have good intentions. There are people who don't share my political views and think that I am also mistaken. I acknowledge and respect that. I'm probably closer to center left than anything. I respect someone like glynch because he is true to his views. Someone like bigtexxx I may not respect as much because I often find his views appalling; but I can at least acknowledge him as a fellow American who has as much of a voice as I do. At the end of the day, the majority of Americans who vote in November will see that Trump does not represent their views and vote against him. What I don't hesitate to call out is straight up BS. It annoys me. It's one thing to promote ideals -- should the US have universal health coverage? Absolutely. We may disagree on what the best path is to that, but any self-respecting liberal would surely agree that it is a shame that the USA is so far behind the rest of the Western world when it comes to healthcare coverage. That said, when you go around soliciting donations from people telling them that you will wipe out Obamacare, the entire health insurance industry as we know it and replace it with Medicare-for-all knowing fully well that it is a) politically impossible and b) Utterly unaffordable even by your own proposals, then I call you dishonest. Of course, Medicare for all with no copays on anything would be fantastic. While we're at it, can we throw in free daycare for my kids, 2 years maternity leave and mandatory siestas from 1 to 2pm? But even if you were to excuse his proposals despite their obvious implausibility, the fact is that this man habitually uses lies/disinformation as a campaign tactic and never gets called out for it, because everyone feels compelled to carry on the narrative that he is "honest and trustworthy" and his opponent is a liar, shifty, etc. And after he has been beaten soundly by most measures you can imagine, he claims everything is rigged against him and threatens to burn the house down. For me, it is obligatory to cast aside narratives and just observe. The stakes are too high for this nonsense. The other day on the radio I heard a couple of journalists commenting (Julie Mason and some dude) about how Hillary's problem is that she doesn't have a campaign message that can be put on a bumper sticker. I'm like, what is this nonsense? Is a bumper sticker going to solve the real problems of the 21st century? Have you people ever stopped to think: perhaps if we didn't spend so much time obsessing over "bumper stickers", we wouldn't be dealing with a buffoon like Trump as a major party nominee for president of the United States? I could never reduce my own job to a bumper sticker, and my job isn't nearly as serious as that of the president. Anyways, end of rant.
Well I also saw it on TV and disagree. Bernie tried to hear what it was. He basically ignored it. If he likes something from the crowds he speaks about it and plays off it for a bit. Look the whole continuing controversy is a staged gotcha moment by Hillary. She is used to having campaigns based on the daily gotchas. She played that game with Obama and was planning on doing it with Dubya or some other establisment candidate. Bernie made it crystal clear that he was not in favor of violence or personally harassing individual DNC or state Dem Officials no matter how undemocratic the games they are playing. His crystal clear apology was not sufficient and the Clinton campaign keeps pressing for more apologies. This avoids discussing issues a ground on which Bernie has completely dominated the careful focus group tested sound bites Hillary had planned to run on.
His crystal clear apologies were exceedingly weak. The messages and voicemails were truly vile and and should have been condemned specifically by him without any qualifications or reference to his other complaints about the party or the system overall.
