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Bernie Sanders 2016 Feel the Bern!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. VooDooPope

    VooDooPope Love > Hate

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    Most of the time your posts are jokes but for once a "premium post" pays off with a great punch line. :)
     
  2. Kevooooo

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    I find it funny that the D's are basically going through the same thing the R's just went through. Begging Bernie to take a clue and drop out so they can focus on the general, just like R's with Ted.

    I attended the R State Convention this last week and the whole place was filled with Ted supporters. Word was Trump was to appear but didn't because of the optics. Sounds like the D's are going through a similar situation.

    This has to be one of the most interesting, and ridiculous, presidential elections in quite some time -- granted I'm under 30 and the first election I truly recall is 2000.
     
  3. glynch

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    All politicians are corrupt and besides why rouse oneself like conservatives or liberals do over these issues. Yuk. It is all sort of puzzling, yet vaguely amusing to the Buckster.
     
  4. JeopardE

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    The rest of the country is finally coming around to seeing what I concluded about Sanders a long time ago: A selfish, incompetent and intellectually dishonest con artist who is incapable of running a convenience store, let alone a country. And now he wants to burn the house to the ground because he got his tail kicked by a woman. Inciting mobs, harassing people, threats, vile abuse, misogyny, the works. I spoke up against it when he was sending his folks to cause trouble at Trump rallies; everyone excused it because Trump. Now he's doing it to the Democrats, because that's what he is.

    http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-get-control-get-out-race-461195

    Do let the door hit you on the way out, Bernie.
     
  5. Baba Booey

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    "Bernie or bust" was the chant last night at Bernie's speech in CA. The crowd loudly booed the democratic establishment and Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and for good reason. Wasserman Schultz has got to go. How is she still in her position?

    This is not looking good for Hillary...
     
  6. RocketsLegend

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    The downfall 2 party system. This is great news.
     
  7. Rashmon

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    No it isn't...remember when everyone said she's blow Trump out of the water? I've got her winning 272-266, with Trump capturing the entire Midwest. But if Bernie runs third party, then obviously it's different.

    For me the key period is the second week of June. Hilary dropped out in 2008 around June 9th- and the Hilary-Obama contest was pretty heated if I recall correctly. If by then Sanders STILL hasn't conceded, that means he's probably running third party.
     
  9. Baba Booey

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    But isn't it too late to run as a third party? He cannot even get on the ballot in Texas as a third party candidate as far as I know. The deadline was May 9.

    Correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  10. Bandwagoner

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    A woman is running for president, but calling women names is off limits. What a joke.

    Attack Sanders for claiming he comes from the working class when he never worked. His campaign treated Clinton like a deity compared to what Trump is about to do to her, and what anyone should have to face.
     
  11. glynch

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    If you heard the chant it was certainly not a majority of the people. Bernie did not look pleased and ignored them.

    I really don't think looks that bad for Hillary if she can get over being upset that she had a serious challenger and try to unite the party over issues. She can't just scold Bernis supporters and make them content with small changes like her generally older jaded supporters are used to.

    Hillary probably needs to make some concessions to attract the Sanders supporters who actually are concerned with some very important issues for them, their friends and children. Free tuition might not be VIP for her crowd. Same with actual health care for everybody.

    The tuition cost is estimated around $75 billion per year. Not that expensive. Now national health will cost a lot, though about half of what we now spend on health care. Hilary will have to offend some of her health care industry funders merely by saying she will work for it. I am not sure how much she is dependent on education industry offenders/ loan providers etc. who might be also be offended

    Time to choose Hillary. Move in the direction of the issues the vast majority of the Dems and working folks want or try to squeak by on the very enthusiastic support of quite a few older Democratic women and the typical Dem coalition that makes it all get down to hanging chads or a few votes in a couple of swing states. At this point she thinks she can take progressive/Sander's voter for granted as Bill and the DLC types did for years. She seems focused on wooing disappointed neo-cons and Bush-Romney type Republicans and Wall Streeters with their big money donations.

    If she is not careful Trump might take a position or two like free four year public college and then Hillary really could lose.
     
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    I have seen absolutely nothing to support Hillary "taking progressive/Sanders voter for granted," glynch. You seem to be determined to make every post related to Ms. Clinton a negative one, even a post where you finally admit that she's won. Is that how it's going to be? Endless posts where you parrot the GOP's assault on her, while tossing in a few "progressive" lines to make them seem "different."
     
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    I wholeheartedly agree. Glad you came to your senses.
     
  14. da_juice

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    I actually didn't know about this, so I looked it up. It turns out it goes by the state. Texas is May, but some states are later (I'm just going by this article that I found so I don't know how reliable it is).

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/25/when-bloomberg-really-needs-to-decide.html

    So, Sanders would automatically be forfeiting some states by running third party, simply by already missing the deadline. The big question then, I suppose, is what states he would win. The states where he won the primaries are mostly real blue collar states, so I would imagine those aren't in play for Hilary. Hilary losing Oregon would be big IMO, simply because I think it will be a close race.

    TL;DR I'm going to look into this more because now I'm curious (and have way too much free time on my hands). But thanks for pointing it out.
     
  15. JeopardE

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    El. Oh. El.

    Mark my words. Trump will not reach 200 EVs. Not happening.
     
  16. JeopardE

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    Exhibit A: Classic BernieBro. Actually defending misogyny with a straight face.

    In your world, it's fair game to call a woman "w****" and "b*tch" to her face because she happens to be a public official? I'm sure you think those people throwing dollar bills at Hillary while she drove past were just keeping it real.
     
  17. da_juice

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    I'm far from a Trump supporter, but I think there's a lot more support from Trump in former factory areas than we realize. Especially in swing states like Michigan and Ohio. Plus a lot of people will be voting as much against the Democratic party as much as they are voting for Trump. In a PR system (which I think we should've switched to a long time ago), Trump probably wouldn't do well. But it's a two party system.

    Just doing the electoral math, even if Hilary wins Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin (and I doubt she'll win all three), Trump ends up with 197. One state doesn't swing her way, and Trump's over 200.

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    I hope I'm wrong, I really do. I'd love to see Trump lose and lose a lot. In fact, I'm afraid of what a close election, with either party winning, will bring about. But I also think that there's a reason Trump's doing so well. There's a helluva lot of angry people in this country who think the way Trump does and who agree with most of what he says. Couple that with him going against Hilary during a time of peak anti-establishment sentiment? I think you're going to be surprised at how well he'll do.
     
  18. bnb

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    he never does ;)
     
  19. Baba Booey

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    He actually did looked pleased, eventually. The one guy yelled the line and the people around him laughed and started chanting it. I couldn't understand what they were saying and it looked to me like maybe Bernie didn't either. Once the chant grew and the whole crowd was chanting it, I could finally understand what they were saying and then Bernie smiled and laughed. It seemed to me that the majority of the crowd was taking part.

    I was dreading this election season a year ago. It turned out to be the best thing ever.
     
  20. Bandwagoner

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    1. Link to anyone running for office did this.
    2. It isn't misogyny if everyone is called names. It's part of the deal when running for president. Not sure if you are aware. I don't think she is exempt for being female.
     

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