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Race Games in the NFL

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Sep 3, 2003.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Yeah, you're right, there are no blacks who have excelled in education or science. We all run faster than any Asian or White person. This is sooooooo stupid.

    There are no black doctors, lawyers, chemists, CEOs, pharmacists, college professors are any other profession that requires extensive training and educational background.

    We all just run fast.
     
  2. mleahy999

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    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. Look at a 15 year old black and asian kid. The typical asian kid will usually look a bit nerdy, and the black kid will already have a very muscular physique. Who's in the IT dept at your company? Usually some Chinese or Indian guy. Look at the guys at your gym? I have to work my ass off to maintain my one pack from becoming a keg. While the black guys are effortlessly jacked. Of course this is a stereo type, and there are plenty of exceptions, but there is obvious differences among races.
     
  3. GreenVegan76

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    My mistake. Only 94 percent of the coaches played professionally. Incidently, the two that didn't are white.

    But you're right about your latter point: the logic *doesn't* add up.
     
  4. mleahy999

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    No, it just means that there are black doctors, lawyers, chemists, CEOs, pharmacists, and college professors who also run fast. j/k. :D
     
  5. super_mario

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    There have been arguments made that standardized tests are racially biased but that would be a topic for another thread.

    If you argue that on average more Asians get advanced degrees than Blacks then a response could be that on average Asians come from more affluent families.

    I'm just saying that it's easy to measure who is faster but more difficult to measure who is smarter.
     
  6. GreenVegan76

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    I can't fathom the depths to which you descend to rationalize your faulty ideas.
     
  7. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    I really don't think it is hard to measure who is smarter. Administer a test. What is hard for people to do is accept that they are not smarter. The problem lies in the acceptance of the answer, not in finding the answer.

    pgabriel, I said "on average blacks...." and "on average Asians..." I did not say "all blacks" or "all Asians" as your response foolishly assumes.
     
  8. Timing

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    This whole thread is simply disgusting. What's most frightening though is that this is just a reflection of the types of ignorant people we all deal with on a daily basis. *shudder*
     
  9. SamFisher

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    So if blacks aren't "on average" smart enough to coach, how come they can coach basketball? Let me guess, basketball isn't a thinking man's game...:rolleyes:
     
  10. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Well, at least I can skip lunch now. ... Maybe dinner too.
     
  11. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Way to put words in my mouth, Sam. I never said what you accuse me of saying above. You have taken the liberty of making assumptions that are incorrect.

    That said, I do believe football is a much harder sport to coach than basketball. I doubt someone like Patrick Ewing, a Rockets coach, has the mental capacity to create an offensive scheme in football to counter Brian Billick or Bill Belicheck.
     
  12. bigtexxx

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    African Americans make up approximately 12% of the US population. If there are 32 teams, a distribution of coaches based upon the national average of race would predict there to be 3.84 African-American coaches in the NFL.

    Herm Edwards and Tony Dungy are the two African American coaches in the NFL. I believe Herm Edwards is half-black, half white, but could be mistaken there. Let's call him black for now. This mean that 6.25% of all NFL coaches are black. 93.75% are white.

    The assumption that could be flawed is that a good player would make a good coach. Perhaps more important is the level of interest in football. If you assume that all races are equally interested in football, you would expect a fairly even distribution of race amongst the coaches. This would indicate that although blacks are underrepresented compared to their nationwide percent, hispanics are more underrepresented because they make up 15% of the US, yet have no representation amongst NFL coaches. Admittedly, 32 is a very small sample size, but you can understand the point. The fact that blacks are underrepresented amongst coaches rests on the assumption that a good player makes a good coach.
     
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  13. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    The only assumption Texx is that Blacks don't get a fair chance at NFL head coaching jobs. That's what the policy intends to correct.
     
  14. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    That adds up to 90, you mean 93.75% are white unless I misread the beginning of your post. And actually you forgot about Marvin Lewis, so it really is 3/32 = 9.375 black and 90.625 white.

    GreenVegan,

    I know you were being sarcastic, but I can think of 10 coaches off the top of my head that never played in the NFL such as:

    Mike Shanahan
    Dick Vermeil
    Dom Capers
    Butch Davis
    Bill Parcells
    Jim Fassel
    Mike Sherman
    Mike Holmgren
    Mike Martz
    Dennis Erickson
    Steve Mariucci

    Also, I don't think that Marvin Lewis played in the NFL but I am not sure about that one.
     
  15. Vik

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    it doesn't really have much to do substantively with the thread, but Jim Fassel did play in the NFL:

    "Drafted by the Chicago Bears in the seventh round of the 1972 NFL Draft and played briefly with Chicago, the Houston Oilers, and San Diego Chargers" - http://www.nfl.com/teams/coaching/NYG

    And I think Holmgren was drafted in the early 70s.


    It would be something to see Parcells jiggling his way all over the field! haha! I think I'd to lose my lunch.


    Texx, your point that many coaches in the league don't have NFL playing experience still stands and is substantial.

    That said, I think almost all of them have played at least collegiately, and it seems quite reasonable to think that there is some link between coaching ability and having been a player. It might not show up in the schemes you draw up, but connecting with players and developing an atmosphere in the locker room might come easier to former players.

    Never having been in an NFL locker room, I have no basis behind the conjecture.
     
  16. SamFisher

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    Why Patrick Ewing? Elaborate.
     
  17. Nomar

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    I said on average. Do you not read?
     
  18. Nomar

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    What's disgusting is you living in denial.
     
  19. Timing

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    Riiiight, and one day you can post that scientific study on how whites simply because they're white can create offensive playbooks and scheme defenses better than blacks. Maybe white people in general are just predisposed to say stupid things about other races because they were born white. You can look into that one too while you're at it. I'll be waiting for your results.
     
  20. ChucklesG

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    Nomar's talking out his ass, thats a given.

    You give 2 people, 1 white, and 1 black, a similar education and work experience ( in this case NFL coaching, be it defense or offense).The only differences in playbooks would be the coaches with defensive backgrounds would make better defensive playbooks, and the same with offense.
     

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