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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Exiled, May 11, 2016.

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  1. Exiled

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    citation does't means its accuracy , Ibn Hisham or Ibn Ishaq are terrible sources , poorly written ( like the way i type in english )

    cases like 4-6 are accurate

    or take for example : Quridah the jewish tribe is way controversial in the sense , there is no traces or physical evidence , personally i believe they were moved to what nowadays called : Qassim ,where almost everyone look like Omri casspi

    or like the Aslami tribe located nowadays in hail-Jouf ,saudi Arabia, they will tell you we are originally jews


    or take for example the recent treaty document of jerusalem that had been released by the Syrian orthodox Church : the entire treaty is way better than how it was described by Historians
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    Here is a meta question for you. Are all the authors of the hadith and early biographies of Muhammad that have him doing some nefarious deeds that most Islamic apologists deem as 'didn't happen because source is not valid' have ill intent to discredit Muhammad's legacy?

    Draw me an explicit line from Muhammad being a man of peace to HUNDREDS of hadith that have been misinterpreted to make him look vile and cruel?

    Ironically for you the only answer I've had to this question were from Shia Muslims who believe that the there actually was a smear campaign against Muhammad with the Hadith.
     
  3. Exiled

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    you can find plenty , the same way you got every negative version of these stories . equality and justice , even to people that are considered your enemy is just the beginning of it .

    for Shiea , Imam Ali among the 12 Imam from his seeds considered sinless, they even overlapped with God's statue on different scene .everyone else including Mohammed had committed a sin, he might be punished for.


    check out this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_ibn_Saba'
     
  4. Exiled

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    rofl, really pathetic when you have to use Islamophobic websites to attempt to make a point.

    "They have sources!!!" Surely you, as an ex-Muslim, was taught about the science of hadith. And it's not hard to actually investigate some of their sources. Take a look at the 3rd person on that list and some of the blatant falsehoods:

    False, the link to the verse they provide has nothing about ordering an execution:
    When Our Signs are rehearsed to him, he says, "Tales of the ancients!"
    Except neither of the sources provided mention who executed him.

    You are one of those fools who thinks that just because something has a citation, it is true. You don't need to verify the accuracy of the citation, just the mere fact that there is a citation makes it credible.


    In regards to Asma bint Marwan:

    http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/the-killing-of-abu-afak-and-asma-bint-marwan/

    The story of the killing of Asma’ bint Marwan is mentioned by Ibn Sa’d in Kitab At-Tabaqat Al-Kabir and by the author of Kinz-ul-‘Ummal under number 44131 who attributes it to Ibn Sa’d, Ibn ‘Adiyy and Ibn ‘Asaker. What is interesting is that Ibn ‘Adiyy mentions it in his book Al-Kamel on the authority of Ja’far Ibn Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Ibn As-Sabah on authority of Muhammad Ibn Ibrahim Ash-Shami on authority of Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj Al-Lakhmi on authority of Mujalid on authority of Ash-Shu’abi on authority of Ibn ‘Abbas, and added that:

    …this isnad (chain of reporters) is not narrated on authority of Mujalid but by Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj and they all (other reporters in the chain) accuse Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj of forging it.

    The other part about you that is laughable is your incessant posting trying to compare Islam with Christianity or Muhammad with Jesus. "Jesus never did this or Jesus never did that". Last time I brought this up you had no response whatsoever. Everything that is known about Jesus' life was determined 300 years later at the Council of Nicea. Anything that portrayed Jesus in a bad light was not considered canon and thrown out, regardless of its authenticity.
     
  6. Nook

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    The flailing and contorting of history to validate Muhammed is absurd but not shocking.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    Let's discuss this cartoon instead

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  8. Hustle Town

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    That is the "feminist perspective" on the Iraq War :p
     
  9. Exiled

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    Irony...

    [youtube]pDfYA21lDic[/youtube]
     
  10. Exiled

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    :)...cute
     
  11. Nook

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    Classic response.

    Keep trying to validate a set of beliefs and a historical figure that is not compatible with the modern civilized world.
     
  12. Exiled

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    knowledge is powerful ! you seems to be escaping from it

    You did't even watch this very informative tube,

    if you don't about X ,then how you are supposed to criticize Y !
     
  13. Deji McGever

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    So, DOG whistling about International BANKING? Welcome to ignore, anti-semite! ;)
     

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