Yet another game in which Mack Brown acts like he's embarrassed to have a good team. Yo, Mack: either don't schedule the pansies, or actually play them in the 2nd half. This "beat them in 30 minutes, then drink a few beers and run up the middle" **** doesn't fly. In case anyone missed it, Texas took three delay of game penalties in the last 3 minutes to avoid scoring 70. You see, we kept running up the middle with our 3rd string fullback - but Tulane just couldn't deal with the awe inspiring talent of our walk-in FB, back-up O-linemen, and 3rd string qb (V-Young wasn't even allowed to play in the 4th quarter past the 12 minute marker). So, of course, we took penalties. That, of course, didn't matter - the only reason we didn't score, is because we burned 3:50 or so after entering the red zone. There's nothing wrong with the Bill Snyder approach. I truly understand not wanting to play decent teams, when a loss hurts a team far more than it really should and the reward of beating, say, Louisville or Marshall isn't as good as it should be. But at least let the team play. You show enough class by playing the 3rd string. You've shown your desire to not hang 70 by running up the middle every damned play with the full back (because, you know, the half back might have broke one). But taking 3 penalties to ensure we didn't score 70? That's kind of pitiful.
No, it's not. It's far more insulting to Tulane to "give them" the honor of avoiding 70, than to play it... well, remotely straight. You think those Tulane kids are going to the locker room and saying, "gee... we really kicked in the nuts in that game... but at least they didn't score 70!" I think it's far more likely that they're saying something like, "man, we suck. The other team had to cheat for us we're so bad." There's no honor in perverting the spirit of the game to spare the opponent excess humiliation. There's no rationale, whether avoiding injuries, controlling the ball, or just being nice for taking penalties. This is false class; not class, but condescension. Saying you didn't want to embarrassthe other team, but being so damned condescending as to lie down for them. That was an embarrassment for both teams.
no, it's called being a p***y and in fact, i would call it classless (unless you were being sarcastic). that's embarrassing to the other team to just say we're gonna keep giving you 5 yards b/c you can't stop us. and it's embarrassing to anyone who's ever played for UT to purposely not try to score. not play the 3rd string, not run the FB, but actually throwing the last drive. mack brown took a dive and it may be the single biggest crock of **** i've ever seen from him, and i've seen a lot. how can our players be tough when they're led by mack? i had almost nothing to be pissed about w/ 4 minutes to go (except we hate giving young the offense) and then he pulls the lamest thing i have ever seen. i mean i wanted 70 and wanted us to try to actually score. but if we had been stopped on 4 FB dives, i could've lived with it. what we did was unbelievable. taking a dive to purposely not hang 70 is low, low, low. **** YOU MACK BROWN! derrick johnson you are a badass and roy williams is the greatest player i've ever gotten to go watch. and young is going to be unbelievable. but **** YOU MACK BROWN!
Ask the Tulane Head Coach if it was classless. Classy move by Mack. Fans will find something to b**** about after every game. Lets not forget our starting safeties injured themselves in the 2nd half. At least that is something important to b**** about.
Go do me a favor. 1. Go ask the Tulane head coach whether he really appreciated Texas cheating themselves to ensure his team didn't concede 70. 2. As Hall (4th string fullback) if he'd have liked to score a touch down after putting forth a hell of an effort despite the line being stacked against him. That TD, if anything, meant more to guys like Hall than it would have hurt the Tulane team. 63... 70... who the **** cares? I'll tell you... our 4th string. Scoring once at DKR would be a dream come true to some of those guys. Class... bah... tell me what's classy about it.
btw, Mack and Scelfo shook hands and hugged after the game. If Scelfo thought Mack was degrading his team, I doubt he would have been so cordial. Mack knows what it is like to be on the other side of the score.
Tell me: where is the honor in conceding 63 points instead of 70 because the other team lay down? If you'll tell me where the honor is, I'll respect your opinion. Right now, you're just spouting cliches.
I disagree. You do not score another TD at the end of the game. Last thing you want to do is rub it in.
No way that coach wanted his boys to be further humiliated w/ 70 points. We almost scored it anyway...regardless of the penalties. It showed class.
There was no need or point for that last touchdown. Brown let the clock run out to end the game as soon as possible. It's rather simple and makes total sense. The BCS no longer counts margin of defeat for just this reason (unnecessarily running up the score on weaker opponents)
All of you guys are really neglecting one key thing: In what day did it diminish the embarrassment Tulane felt? Did it make them feel like a better team? Nope. Did it make them feel like UT respected them? I really doubt it. All it did was take the game out of their hands. UT didn't even trust them (for good reason) to run the ball up the middle. You know what class really is? Showing respect for an opponent. Taking penalties for to end a game is the most disrespect you could possibly show a team. Mack showed condescension, not class. It's all good and well to spout cliches about not wanting to run up the score. It's quite another to try to understand what "class" is. Newsflash: that was never at issue. Nordgren and Hall were a pretty good indication that nothing like that was happening.
i'll post this here as well until the two threads are merged or something but... OMFG!!! did anyone just hear mark may? not only do we get the disrespect of not getting any highlights (though sportscenter made sure to show dj get laid out while trying to chase a guy down), but mark may calls us out for running up the score!!! after they called us a playground bully earlier. omg. omg. omg. he said we should be ashamed for having the starters in after halftime and, the most absurb thing he said, passing in the 4th quarter. uhh, anyone remember us throwing in the 4th quarter? i remember nordgren throwing one BS piece of crap pass that missed. otherwise we ran, ran, ran some more. we didn't even leave the 2nd string qb (who's actually the best qb) in after the 3rd. and we took penalties to purposely not score. we score 14 pts after halftime (which i'm sure a ton of good teams score even more against pansies) and purposely try to not score and we get called out for running up the score. i used to think people were BSing when they said the media didn't like us (despite always overrating us to start a season just to tear us down), but now i'm not sure. we got called out left and right for losing to arkansas and got reamed in the polls then didn't pass the teams that lost the next week. and now we get called out for running up the score when we did the exact opposite and get no highlights. MFing damn. i used to like mark may. now i don't. i'm completely not seeing what everyone is thinking here. did y'all actually see what happened. we threw a drive. threw it. purposely did bad. as haven said, complete condescension, not class. the bcs hasn't counted MOV for a few years and who gives a crap if they do. 45 or 52 wouldn't matter. showing class and respect for the sport does. he let the game end as soon as possible? you know how else that could happen? score and give them the ball and let them run it out. penalties waste time to announce and move the ball, running plays doesn't. hell, a tulane guy got hurt on the last play. that's real classy. he wouldn't have been hurt had the drive ended 4 plays earlier. we almost scored with the penalites? damn, i bet the tulane D feels great. hey, with 15 yards of help we can stop the 3rd string FB up the middle play. we feel great about ourselves. it is in no way shape or form rubbing it in to run 3rd string FB up the middle over and over. it's called you have to call plays and get the game over with. and teams have had 70 scored on them a lot. tulane would just be another. i doubt they have trouble getting jobs later in life b/c employers see they gave up 70 instead of 63. you know what doesn't happen a lot. p***y coaches winning the national title. unfortunately, that's what we have. i guess after losing to ou and a few more games, we can write in the media guide, hey they were classy at least by humiliating other teams.
i just watched the replay to determine if mark may or i was the idiot. and as i expected it was mark may. our 1st string RB, 9 yards after halftime i believe or very few if i missed one. roy had 1 catch after halftime. the first string qb was gone 6 minutes in. the 2nd string was done at the end of the 3rd. the 3rd string qb played the whole 4th. as for passing in the 4th. we sure did. all of one pass, a running back screen on 3rd and 5 that was incomplete. that sure rubbed it in. and here's the amazing part. we recovered a fumble at the 32 with 7:50 to go. you know what happened then? we ran out the entire 7:50 with only 32 yards of field to work with. we were at the 6 with 4:50 to go and ran out the clock. the whole damn thing. 6 yards, 5 minutes. hell that's probably never been done in cfb history. as for the whole controversy. those saying it was right, did y'all see it on tv or were you at the game. it made a huge difference. on tv, they didn't really even show the field for the first one. all of a sudden they came back and just said oh there's been a penalty. then the 2nd time we did it they were showing usc/cal highlights and completely missed it. only on the 3rd one, when boos started, did they even show it and they just said it was good he wasn't trying to score. at the game it was unbelievable. we just had the players stand with their hands on their hips (the qb even talked with the ref) and take penalties. just lost 15 yards by standing there. it was horrible if you were there and i thought demeaning to tulane. which brings me to another point. if the clock is running and the offense commits a penalty like delay of game, false start, or holding, the ball is spotted after the penalty and the clock starts up again. what is to keep a team with a lead in the 4th quarter from simply running once to get the clock started and then taking penalty after penalty after penalty until the entire clock is run out? it seems it would be perfectly legal. completely wrong and unsportmanlike, but legal. hell, if you're up by more than 7, the other team could have all 3 timeouts left and do nothing about it. do it, let them score, do it some more. game over. since this seems to be the case, how could a loophole this big be allowed? that's how we ran 5 minutes from the 6, b/c the clock just keeps going on delay of game penalties.
I totally agree. I thought the horns were classy in victory. They showed respect to Tulane by not kneeing the ball at the end and by taking the DOG penalties. One without the other would have been classless.
In what day did it diminish the embarrassment Tulane felt? Did it make them feel like a better team? Nope. Did it make them feel like UT respected them? I really doubt it. The point here was to run out the clock and avoid having to kick off again, put our defense out there again, etc, etc. This is the silliest thing I've ever heard in regards to college football. Who the hell cares if we scored 63 or 70 points? And no, the 8th string fullback doesn't count. He got more carries as a result of it anyway.
