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[Woj] Van Gundy is at the top of the Rockets’ list of candidates

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J.R., Apr 18, 2016.

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Would you be okay with bringing Jeff Van Gundy back?

  1. Yes — bring him back.

    88.9%
  2. No — been there, done that.

    11.1%
  1. waytookrzy079

    waytookrzy079 Member

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    Why is it JVG's fault? He's not the one that's on the court. Can you place blame on him? Sure. Can you put entire blame on him? NO.

    It's not JVG's fault that Yao couldnt stand still while setting screens or grab a rebound. It's not JVG's fault that the ref blatantly swallowed his whistle while Finley was stepping out of bounds in front of him. (See Donaghy's statements about the Mavs series).

    I will agree with you on the Jazz series tho - that's a series that should have won, but didn't. Again, cant place all of the blame on JVG when their 6th man (Luther Head) was complete trash all series and the bench was Deke, J Howard, and Head.
     
  2. waytookrzy079

    waytookrzy079 Member

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    Adelman retired. Found an article on this yesterday that he wanted to step down from coaching in Minny and "enjoy the next phase" of his life with his wife and family.

    Ideally, I would pick Adelman over JVG any day of the week. But if Adelman's not available, my pick is JVG. I think he and Morey would be able to work well together.
     
  3. count_dough-ku

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    The Rockets lost that 2007 Jazz series because Utah had a better team that gradually wore us down and because Yao couldn't grab a damn rebound when we needed it. Offensive rebounding basically did us in in that final couple minutes of Game 7.
     
  4. Thefabman

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    people acting like JVG dont make JB look like an elementary school coach lol
     
  5. htown1984

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    I think we can make him look like that- the guy is terrible.
    worst rotation i have ever seen..
     
  6. houtown

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    Opinions differ as to why the Rockets lost those series, obviously the Jazz were the better team in the end, but the point I think people try to get at, is that he never got McGrady and Yao to live up to the potential that many other people saw for them at the time.

    His system was not built to their strengths, and the Rockets did not win a series until Adelman actually installed a respectful offense with formidable rotations taking advantage of each players strengths on the court.
     
  7. OpportunityCost

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    It's like choosing between asparagus flavored gum or broccoli flavored lollipops.
     
  8. KingCoreyBrewer

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    is jb a good coach?
     
  9. count_dough-ku

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    That 2008-09 team was very different though from the 2006-07 squad. Remember that they were struggling early on until McGrady shut it down for the year. That's when Adelman's offense really was able to be implemented fully(and the defense got better as Artest was able to assert himself more).

    And there was so much depth on that roster. Yao and Deke at the 5. Scola, Landry, and Hayes at the 4. Battier and Wafer at the 3. Artest and Barry at the 2. And Brooks and Lowry at the 1. Again, not taking anything away from Adelman who was a great coach for the Rockets, but I can't believe JVG wouldn't have been able to win at least one playoff series with that team.
     
  10. MaxRider

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    Rather have Thibodeau (not available anymore) or Blatt or someone new. If you want me to pick between JVG and Brooks. I'll rather have JVG. Seriously, anyone is better than JBB now.
     
  11. waytookrzy079

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    Even the year before Artest, that team had much better depth than the previous year under JVG.
     
  12. Dave_78

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    I'm pretty sure Adelman hates Morey and Les. I saw an interview with him not so long ago and he was asked about the Rockets organization and he frowned and said something to the effect of "I don't know what those guys are doing down there." with a tone that suggested he thought "those guys" were idiots.
     
  13. count_dough-ku

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    Yes they did. But that 2008-09 team even sans T-Mac(or maybe BECAUSE T-Mac went down) was so deep and complete. I still believe to this day that had Yao and Deke remained healthy, they might've won the whole thing that season.
     
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    Is he better than Bickerstaff?
    But at least he's better than Bickerstaff!


    Boy, we've sunken to new lows.

    John Blair Bickerstaff is not the standard.
     
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    I don't think he will employ that type of system in today's game.
     
  16. treyk3

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    The guy hasn't been a coach in 10 years. He has been watching every team. To just assume he is going to run the same offense he did back then is insane. JVG is a brilliant basketball mind. Thibs was my first choice but JVG could be an even better fit. He has objectively watched every team and sees what works.

    In the video below he discusses the importance of fitting with personnel and the importance of multiple passes leading to layups. He knows the motion offense is what works and he has to see that this team could run it beautifully. Especially if you get rid of Dwight and add a player like Horford, Noah or Gasol this offseason to make passes from the top of the key.

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/KFLeWYCfJ98" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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  17. Aruba77

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    JVG is my favorite ex-Rocket coach. I never understood why we moved on from him and I'd be shocked if he re-upped with Houston after Les clearly didn't have the faith in him that he should have. it's clear Les is not a "coach's owner", and that reputation only grew with the McHale firing (which was a mistake so early into the season), and i think they'll find it's not doing us any favors in the recruiting process.
     
  18. OpportunityCost

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    McHale also had been watching games where he saw every team as an analyst and sometimes broadcaster for TNT before his stint with the Rockets. That definitely had no positive effect on our offense.
     
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    Just because "everyone" else is doing it doesn't mean it's beneficial - I also don't have the desire to invalidate that statement by researching all of the teams that do have dynamic offensive systems that includes their stars.
    But look at the recent winners of the Championship (the team approaches we should seek to emulate which are universal) – the Warriors and Spurs. Dedicated offensive sets, with not much wasted movement, off-the-ball picks to facilitate offense. Yes of course their stars touch the ball, but everyone is involved and it's harder to defend. Offensive slugs like Bogut end up with easy lobs and high-percentage shots because of their system.

    Yes and the sky is blue. But constant ISOs are too easy to defend and too simpleton. Everyone needs to get involved. Imagine how much less of a burden Harden would have if he was run off of multiple screens to get an easier shot ala Rip Hamilton – maybe he would have more energy for defense.

    Because I am basing my statements on what I saw when he was here. Hire a guru offensive assistant? You mean like the guru defensive assistant Tom Thibodeau he had working for him?


    Let’s just look at this season and last.

    2015-2016/Outgoing Coach
    OKC/Scott Brooks
    Orlando Magic/James Borrego
    New Orleans Pelicans/Monty Williams
    Chicago Bulls/Tom Thibodeau
    Denver Nuggets/Melvin Hunt
    Minnesota Timberwolves/Flip Saunders (RIP)
    Houston Rockets/Kevin McHale
    Brooklyn Nets/Lionel Hollins
    Cleveland Cavaliers/David Blatt
    Phoenix Suns/Jeff Hornacek
    New York Knicks/Derek Fisher

    2014-2015/Outgoing Coach
    New York Knicks/Mike Woodson
    Minnesota Timberwolves/Rick Adelman
    Utah Jazz/Tryone Corbin
    Los Angeles Lakers/Mike D'Antoni
    Golden State Warriors/Mark Jackson
    Cleveland Cavaliers/Mike Brown
    Milwaukee Bucks/Jason Kidd
    Orlando Magic/Jacque Vaughn
    Denver Nuggets/Brian Shaw

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  20. malakas

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    Not really excited about JVG. But there arent that many good options available anyway.
    At least hes better than Brooks.
     

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