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A Soldier Questions the War

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  1. rimrocker

    rimrocker Member

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    Whatever your political leanings, you have to acknowledge that it took guts for a 101st Airborne, active duty in Iraq soldier to write the following for his hometown newspaper, the Peoria Journal Star.

    http://www.pjstar.com/news/opedcolumns/b0gtbbgr059.html

    (I just came across this... sorry if it's already been posted.)
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    A U.S. soldier in Iraq wonders: 'How many more must die?'

    August 24, 2003

    By TIM PREDMORE


    "Shock and Awe" were the words used to describe the awesome display of power the world was to view upon the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom. It was to be an up-close, dramatic display of military strength and advanced technology within the arsenal of the United States and the United Kingdom's military.

    But as a soldier preparing for the invasion of Iraq, the words "shock and awe" rang deeper within my psyche. These two great superpowers were about to break the very rules they demand of others. Without the consent of the United Nations, and ignoring the pleas of their own citizens, the United States and Britain invaded Iraq.

    "Shock and Awe"? Yes, the words correctly described the emotional impact I felt as we prepared to participate in what I believed not to be an act of justice but of hypocrisy.

    From the moment the first shot was fired in this so-called war of liberation and freedom, hypocrisy reigned. Following the broadcasting of recorded images of captured and dead U.S. soldiers over Arab television, American and British leaders vowed revenge while verbally assaulting the networks for displaying such vivid images. Yet within hours of the deaths of Saddam's two sons, the American government released horrific photos of the two dead brothers for the entire world to view. Again, a "do as we say and not as we do" scenario.

    As soldiers serving in Iraq, we have been told that our purpose here is to help the people of Iraq by providing them the necessary assistance militarily as well as in humanitarian efforts. Then tell me where the humanity was in the recent Stars and Stripes account of two young children brought to a U.S. military camp by their mother, in search of medical care? The two children had been, unbeknown to them, playing with explosive ordinance they had found and as a result were severely burned. The account tells how the two children, following an hour-long wait, were denied care by two U.S. military doctors. The soldier described the incident as one of many "atrocities" he has witnessed on the part of the U.S. military.

    So then, what is our purpose here? Was this invasion due to weapons of mass destruction as we so often heard? If so, where are they? Did we invade to dispose of a leader and his regime on the account of close association with Osama bin Laden? If so, where is the proof? Or is it that our incursion is a result of our own economic advantage? Iraq's oil can be refined at the lowest cost of any in the world. Coincidence?

    This looks like a modern-day crusade not to free an oppressed people or to rid the world of a demonic dictator relentless in his pursuit of conquest and domination but a crusade to control another nation's natural resource. At least for us here, oil seems to be the reason for our presence.

    There is only one truth, and it is that Americans are dying. There are an estimated 10- to 14-attacks on our servicemen and women daily in Iraq. As the body count continues to grow, it would appear that there is no immediate end in sight.

    I once believed that I served for a cause: "to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    Now, I no longer believe; I have lost my conviction, my determination. I can no longer justify my service for what I believe to be half-truths and bold lies. My time is done as well as that of many others with whom I serve. We have all faced death here without reason or justification.

    How many more must die? How many more tears must be shed before America awakens and demands the return of the men and women whose job it is to protect them rather than their leader's interest?

    Tim Predmore is on active duty with the 101st Airborne Division near Mosul, Iraq. A 1985 Richwoods High School graduate and native Peorian, he has been in Iraq since March and in the military for about five years.
     
  2. Pipe

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    I'll see your soldier and raise you one major.

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    06-23-2003
    Sitrep: Iraq

    Editor's Note: This is an open letter from U.S. Army Maj. Eric Rydbom in Iraq to the First Lutheran Church of Richmond Beach in Shoreline, Wash. Rydbom is Deputy Division Engineer of the 4th Infantry Division.

    It has been a while since I have written to my friends at First Lutheran Church about what's really going on here in Iraq. The news you watch on TV is exaggerated, sensationalized and selective. Good news doesn't sell.

    The stuff you don't hear about on CNN?

    Let's start with electrical power production in Iraq. The day after the war was declared over, there was nearly 0 power being generated in Iraq. Just 45 days later, in a partnership between the Army, the Iraqi people and some private companies, there are now 3200 megawatts (Mw) of power being produced daily, 1/3 of the total national potential of 8000 Mw. Downed power lines (big stuff, 400 Kilovolt (Kv) and 132 Kv) are being repaired and are about 70 percent complete.

    Then there is water purification. In central Iraq between Baghdad and Mosul, home of the 4th Infantry Division, water treatment was spotty at best. The facilities existed, but the controls were never implemented. Simple chemicals like Chlorine for purification and Alum (Aluminum Sulfate) for sediment settling (the Tigris River is about as clear as the Mississippi River) were in very short supply or not used at all. When chlorine was used, it was metered by the scientific method of guessing.

    So some people got pool water to drink and some people got water with lots of little things floating around in it. We are slowly but surely solving that. Contracts for repairs to facilities that are only 50 percent or less operational are being let, chemicals are being delivered, although we don't have the metering problem solved yet ( ... but again, it's only been 45 days).

    How about oil and fuel? Well the war was all about oil wasn't it? You bet it was. It was all about oil for the Iraqi people! They have no other income, they produce nothing else. Oil is 95 percent of the Iraqi GNP. For this nation to survive, it must sell oil.

    The Refinery at Bayji is [operating] at 75 percent of capacity producing gasoline. The crude pipeline between Kirkuk (Oil Central) and Bayji will be repaired by tomorrow (2 June). LPG, what all Iraqis use to cook and heat with, is at 103 percent of normal production and we, the U.S. Army, are ensuring it is being distributed fairly to all Iraqis.

    You have to remember that only three months ago, all these things were used by the Saddam regime as weapons against the population to keep them in line. If your town misbehaved, gasoline shipments stopped, LPG pipelines and trucks stopped, water was turned off, power was turned off.

    Now, until exports start, every drop of gasoline produced goes to the Iraqi people. Crude oil is being stored and the country is at 75 percent capacity right now. They need to export or stop pumping soon, so thank the U.N. for the delay.

    All LPG goes to the Iraqi people everywhere. Water is being purified as best it can be, but at least its running all the time to everyone.

    Are we still getting shot at? Yep.

    Are American soldiers still dying? Yep, about one a day from my outfit, the 4th Infantry Division, most in accidents, but dead is dead.

    If we are doing all this for the Iraqis, why are they shooting at us?

    The general Iraqi population isn't shooting at us. There are still bad guys who won't let go of the old regime. They are Ba'ath party members (Read Nazi Party, but not as nice) who have known nothing but and supported nothing but the regime all of their lives. These are the thugs for the regime who caused many to disappear in the night. They have no other skills. At least the Nazis [in Germany] had jobs and a semblance of a national infrastructure that they could go back to after the war, as plumbers, managers, engineers, etc. These people have no skills but terror. They are simply applying their skills ... and we are applying ours.

    There is no Christian way to say this, but they must be eliminated and we are doing so with all the efficiency we can muster. Our troops are shot at literally everyday by small arms and Rocket Propelled Grenades (RPGs). We respond. One hundred percent of the time, the Ba''ath party guys come out with the short end of the stick.

    The most amazing thing to me is that they don't realize that if they stopped shooting at us, we would focus on fixing things more quickly and then leave back to the land of the Big PX. The more they shoot at us, the longer we will have to stay.

    Lastly, all of you please realize that 90 percent of the damage you see on TV was caused by Iraqis, not by us and not by the war. Sure, we took out a few bridges from military necessity, we took out a few power and phone lines to disrupt communications, sure we drilled a few palaces and government headquarters buildings with 2000 lb. laser guided bombs (I work 100 yards from where two hit the Tikrit Palace), [but] he had plenty to spare.

    But, any damage you see to schools, hospitals, power generation facilities, refineries, pipelines, was all caused either by the Iraqi Army in its death throes or from much of the Iraqi civilians looting the places.

    Could we have prevented it? Nope.

    We can and do now, but 45 days ago, the average soldier was fighting for his own survival and trying to get to his objectives as fast as possible. He was lucky to know what town he was in much less be informed enough to know who owned what or have the power to stop 1,000 people from looting and burning a building by himself.

    The United States and our allies, especially Great Britain, are doing a very noble thing here. We stuck our necks out on the world's chopping block to free an entire people from the grip of a horrible terror that was beyond belief.

    I've already talked the weapons of mass destruction thing to death - bottom line, who cares? This country was one big conventional weapons ammo dump anyway. We have probably destroyed more weapons and ammo in the last 30 days than the U.S. Army has ever fired in the last 30 years (remember, this is a country the size of Texas), so drop the WMD argument as the reason we came here. If we find it great if we don't, so what?

    I'm living in a "guest palace" on a 500-acre palace compound with 20 palaces with like facilities built in half a dozen towns all over Iraq that were built for one man. Drive down the street and out into the countryside five miles away like I have and see all the families of 10 or more, all living in mud huts and herding the two dozen sheep on which their very existence depends ..then tell me why you think we are here.

    Respectfully,

    ERIC RYDBOM MAJOR, ENGINEER
    Deputy Division Engineer
    4th Infantry Division

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    I am sure there are as many different opinions about the war among the soldiers as there are on this board. Also, I am not sure Major Rydbom is as fired up about our progress in Iraq today as he was 90 days ago.

    That said, Tim Predmore's refrain of "it's all about the oil" is tired and weak. While it did take guts to write, I hope he gets home soon, where he belongs.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/rydbom.asp
     
  3. bigtexxx

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    This cracks me up how you liberals keep starting thread after thread trying to discredit the current administration. Sounds like a helpless screaming out for attention to me...:rolleyes:
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    And its funny how one particular poster who disagrees with the so called liberals always pops up in those threads with the same response. Talk about starving for attention.:rolleyes:
     
  5. bamaslammer

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    Those two should be drawn and quartered like the little fink traitors they are. I've been in the same situation as they are and you didn't see me or any other Marines crying to mama in their damned hometown newspaper, undermining the war effort like a bunch of cowardly Frenchmen. When they swore this oath:
    I don't think they meant a word of it. Remember the part about I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same? I don't think undermining the chain of command, providing ammunition for you anti-war types to petition our govt. for the premature withdrawl of our troops and thus providing aid and comfort for the Saddam loyalists is part of that. They are traitors and should be treated as such. At least they should be cracking big rocks into little rocks in Leavenworth while dodging gang rapes in the shower and get a Big Chicken Dinner on top of it when they are released, forever unable to get a real job (no employer would hire anyone with a BCD or a dishonorable discharge).

    I remember when we floating aimlessly off of the Balkans and there was a lot of whining and complaining in my company about how stupid the mission was, how much Clinton sucked and how big a piece of crap every liberal's love buddy Wesley Clark was. I got my Marines lined up on the flight deck and we had ourselves a little talk about honoring the chain of command and how I would tolerate no such talk from my Marines. "Men, you don't have to like it, you just have to do it. " I told them. I also told them that the next SOB who brought up any talk like that would be written up on a list of UCMJ charges longer than my johnson. After that, no one said a thing about it anymore.

    Why couldn't the Army higher-ups give that same, simple talk? I always had a bad opinion about how pathetic the Army is, this only reinforces that opinion. In any case, that officer's career is over and I bet a lot of you libs will think because of that, he's a hero for "telling it like it is." No folks, he's a traitor. He might as well have pissed on the graves of everyone who died over there and burned an American flag to boot.
     

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