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[Nostalgia] T-Mac 04-05

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  1. cdrive

    cdrive Contributing Member

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    WHO TURNT UP THA JUICE COME PLAYOFFS?
    Green - good
    Green and bold - whoah!! really good
    Red - bad
    black - nil

    TMAC
    '05: 25.7 PTS to 30.7 PTS, .431 FG% to .456 FG%, .326 3PT% to .370 3PT%, 6.2 TRB to 7.4 TRB, 5.7 AST to 6.7 AST, 1.7 STL to 1.6 STL, 0.7 BLK to 1.4 BLK, 2.6 TOV to 3.7 TOV
    '07: 24.6 PTS to 25.3 PTS, .431 FG% to .394 FG%, .331 3PT% to .250 3PT%, 5.3 TRB to 5.9 TRB, 6.5 AST to 7.3 AST, 1.3 STL to 0.7 STL, 0.5 BLK to 0.7 BLK, 3.0 TOV to 3.0 TOV
    '08: 21.6 PTS to 27.0 PTS, .419 FG% to .425 FG%, .292 3PT% to .208 3PT%, 5.1 TRB to 8.2 TRB, 5.9 AST to 6.8 AST, 1.0 STL to 1.5 STL, 0.5 BLK to 0.8 BLK, 2.4 TOV to 3.0TOV


    HARDEN
    '13: 25.9 PTS to 26.3 PTS, .438 FG% to .391 FG%, .368 3PT% to .326 3PT%, 4.9 TRB to 6.7 TRB, 5.8 A ST to 4.5 AST, 1.8 STL to 1.7 STL, 0.5 BLK to 1.0 BLK, 3.8 TOV to 4.5 TOV
    '14: 25.4 PTS to 26.8 PTS, .456 FG% to .376 FG%, .366 3PT% to .296 3PT%, 4.7 TRB to 4.7 TRB, 6.1 A ST to 5.8 AST, 1.6 STL to 2.0 STL, 0.4 BLK to 0.2 BLK, 3.6 TOV to 3.5 TOV
    '15: 27.4 PTS to 27.2 PTS, .440 FG% to .439 FG%, .375 3PT% to .383 3PT%, 5.7 TRB to 5.7 TRB, 7.0 AST to 7.5 AST, 1.9 STL to 1.0 STL, 0.7 BLK to 0.4 BLK, 4.0 TOV to 4.5 TOV
     
  2. Dave_78

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    Looking back, it's crazy how bad his shot selection was. Almost all pull-up jumpers and many of them off balance or fading. Dude should have been a 48%+ shooter if he would have learned that 15-18 foot jumpers isn't where it's at when you are not a great shooter and a phenomenal finisher and passer.

    I still think he is the best drive-and-kick guy I've ever seen. Dude would be buried in the paint with three defenders collapsing and still hit three point shooters right in the chest.
     
  3. tinman

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    Juice was great movie staring Tupac

    The 2nd round and conference finals was a movie that Harden was in.
     
  4. BleedsRocketRed

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    To me Harden is the better pure offensive player, but has a severe deficiency when it comes to defense. McGrady, while not DPOY worthy either, was a far superior defender than Harden ever was, and most likely will be.

    Tmac was a HIGHLY underrated passer, if not the best at his position during his era. He was fantastic in setting up his teammates and I feel that part of his game was severely overlooked during his tenure here.

    Tmacs fragile body and ego did him in. His last year here I hated the man. But he stepped up every playoff series 110%. Carried a Yao-less Rockets to the playoffs during the 22-win streak (and at one point 1st place in the West)

    If I had to choose one, in their absolute Rockets prime, I still think last seasons Harden was better than Tmacs best year in Houston. However, not Orlando's Tmac.
     
  5. cdrive

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    1st Round Exit was a movie Harden was in twice as well.

    Dance around it all you want, but TMAC gave it all in the playoffs. I'd like to see Harden elevate his game in the playoffs. We have yet to see a playoff series where we go "HOLY CRAP PLAYOFF BEAST MODE HARDEN!" We have for Howard. Twice now. What we have seen from Harden is - "aw man what happened to Harden? Aw man he choked in the clutchest of clutch moment with a brain fart TO. Aw man is he hungover? Aw man was he at some party or concert? Aw man why is Howard the leader and outplaying Harden this playoffs? Aw man why is Howard outplaying Harden again in the playoffs?"

    Funny how guys roast T-Mac because of that 1 infamous play where he gave up on D. Damnatio memoriae cause of that 1 infamous play. Can't even relish in the nostalgia of good T-mac....even nearing a decade later...never!...because of that 1 infamous play that questioned his heart. Funny how we have seen about 3-4 of those with Harden as a Rocket, but the T-Mac haters look the other way on those.
     
  6. tinman

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    Tmac only played 20 playoff games for the rockets.

    Take a guess how many playoff games hakeem played in?
     
  7. jojolover

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    All truth!
     
  8. Rocket River

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    Twice versus a CAREER??

    Rocket River
     
  9. Rocket River

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    In their Primes I'd take Paul Pierce over TMac
    cause heart matters

    Rocket River
     
  10. tinman

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    You on Point 99er?
     
  11. cdrive

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    Hayyyuk hayyyuk! I know right?! Ralph Sampson rings: 0, Pete Chilcutt Rings: 1. Chilcutt >>> Sampson. Hayyyuk hayyyuk! :rolleyes:

    Tim Breaux >>> Kevin Durant right?! lol

    Zan Tabak >>> Chris Paul! wooooh! Let the logic flow!
     
  12. tehG l i d e

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    who's the better passer, T-Mac or Harden?
     
  13. tinman

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    Harden got passed the first round and the 2nd round

    so Harden is the better passer, he passed up McGrady
     
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    Haha, i ****ing laughed... Seriously get a ****ing life.
     
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    always fun to watch a debate like this by sports fans. :)

    i'd say the 1st round exit argument is quite flawed...
     
  16. tinman

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    I have a life, and in this life I saw Harden take the Rockets to the WCF and I saw tmac play 20 playoff games as a Rocket and fail to win a series.

    did you see this in your life?
     
  17. tinman

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    1 year ok ,2 years ehh, but your ENTIRE CAREER OF FAILING..

    that's not coincidence
     
  18. RocketsJumer

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    Paul Pierce was on some of the most mediocre Celtics team in recent memory during his real prime. Pierce didn't get the notoriety he has today until Allen and Garnett joined the team. Before then, he was just a good player on an okay team.

    In my opinion, T-Mac over Pierce all day.

    In the Harden vs. TMac debate. Obviously for their Rockets' career, Harden steals the cake. Individual careers, I think Harden needs one more season of this type of play to be definitely better than T-Mac. T-Mac's last two season in Orlando were just that incredible, in my opinion. His 32ppg, 6rpg, 6apg, 30+ PER at 23 years old was a GOAT type season.
     
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    why are there no videos of Harden passing it to T-mac? :confused::confused:
     
  20. Rocket River

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    How many games did Dwight miss last year?

    Rocket River
     

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