We should target Hassan Whiteside as the second max

Said no one ever. Y'all are the ones saying Rodman is a knucklehead so it fits your theory, which no one is buying, that the Spurs don't look for character guys.

Spurs signing a has been Kevin Martin is as irrelevant as them signing a has been Tracy McGrady.

Rodman was everything the Spurs believe. He is a champion, a competitor, a hall of famer. He will wear lipstick and eyeliner and make you wish you never stepped on the court with him.

 

Clint is starting next season sadly. Rockets need a backup not a starter at center

 

He signed a contract extension with his current team and stated he doesnt want to come to the NBA. That ship has sailed

 

The San Antonio Spurs have abruptly waived veteran forward Stephen Jackson in a move coach Gregg Popovich described Friday as "best for our group."

Sources close to the situation told ESPN.com the Spurs came to the conclusion this week that it was best to release Jackson -- even at this unusually late date -- to try to "move forward" with the players who will be in Popovich's playoff rotation.

Popovich told local reporters Friday night before San Antonio's home game against Sacramento that it was a "tough decision because, on a personal basis, I've known (Jackson) a long time and I enjoy him very much."

"But you've got to make decisions that are tough sometimes," Popovich said, describing it as both "a basketball decision and a family decision."

Jackson had largely fallen out of San Antonio's main rotation and thus had team officials privately concerned that the 13-year veteran's "strong personality," as one source put it, would create extra locker-room tension that the Spurs don't need at a time they're already concerned about the health of stars Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili heading into the playoffs.


Tell me how many Spurs championship rings Stephen Jackson has again?

edit: Ok so I forgot about 2003. But if you bring up Stephen Jackson, you can't selectively bring up Stephen Jackson. You gotta bring the whole picture into view. Stephen Jackson and the Spurs prove 2 things: 2003 is the exception proving the Spurs rule, and 2011 Stephen Jackson proves the rule that Spurs don't play around with me-first types.

 

Not me, but even if i like Capela, i'm not sure he'll be ready enough to play at the right level as a starter and for all the season next year, who knows...Whiteside however is a good ft shooter for the position and more reliable on offense right now, the question is, is that enough to justify a 20x4 (if not more)? Eh...

To me, neither is a great starter by himself, they need somone with a complete set of skill to help them on both sides, so if we can pair Capela with Horford, i say we'll be good to go.

Whiteside to me is a plan B, if not C...but, you have to keep in mind that in free agency you can gain an asset for free if you sign a player, so, in case you miss plan A (Durant/Horford), you can always go for plan B and sign Whiteside (let's say), that's still a good move cause makes him or Capela expendable in a trade.

 

Whiteside is the right hand DeAndre Jordan, his blocks look nice, his defence isn't that good

 

^^ he's overrated. i wouldnt wanna give the max to him or horford. any team looking to make big changes this offseason and doesnt ge tlebron or durant is screwed. hopefully the new cba hype is real and teams can afford one bad max player.

 

Whiteside at the max might even be a worse idea than Dwight at the max.

 

Exactly. I think maxing out Horford, Whiteside, Conley, or Barnes is a bad value move. Demar Derozan may be the least risky of the bunch but he's not a good fit. Bradley Beal is scary cause of the injuries but could be the biggest upside.

A coach should be priority #1, then I'm starting to lean towards several mid teir players instead with shooting and being able to switch everything on D being a priority of mine along with throwing out the idea that we need a traditional PG and liking the value of Capella, Beasley, Trez, (Dmo or gasol at the right price)at the 5 in up tempo lineups we just need 1 to have a breakout season.

Nick Batum, Evan Fournier, Courtney Lee, Chandler Parsons, Bradley Beal, KEVIN DURANT etc.

 

Risky move.

Whiteside might be a get the money and be done with working hard type of person.

 

I would rather allocate the money it would take to sign Whiteside, Horford, or even a Conley to building a complete roster.

Something like this.

1. Dump Brewer and Decker for cap space

2. Sign Durant: 25m ....Duh

2. Sign Free agent center. Festus Ezeli 14M per. Plus defender- can switch out to perimeter, winning mindset, improving offense, youngish - 26. Hurts GS. Other options like trading Brewing for Tyson Chandler, or cheaper FA like Mahinmi/Biyombi.

3. Sign Guard: See if Llull will come over. 6.5M. IF not a combo guard like Eric Gordon could be available in this range.

4. Sign Discounted Vet. Assuming a 90-92 million Cap will still have 3-5 million with the DMo cap hold. A player like Nene could be a nice player in that range.

5. Go over cap and resign DMo. I think a 2/24M contract makes sense for both sides. Gives the Rockets protections since it is only 2 years and also gives DMo the upside to hit FA again in his prime if he proves healthy/productive. Beasley/DMo is a combo I like, gives the team a lot of versatility.

6. Now have the ROOM MLE still I believe around 3m. Split it between Gentile and the 2nd rounder on nice team friendly 3 year deals.

This is a balanced team with 4-5 guys who can create their own shots. Good role players, deep bench, guys everywhere who can play multiple positions. Get to keep DMo, it is always sweeter to win with some home grown talent. Plenty of youth to develop with Gentile/2nd rounder/Harrell/KJ.

What would this teams outlook look like? Plus a real bonafide coach with a track record of success.

Beverly/Llull/Goudelock
Harden/KJ McDaniels/2nd round rookie
Durant/Ariza/Gentile
DMo/Beasley/Harrell
Ezeli/Capela/Nene

 

Clearly, the main target is Durant. But if Morey fails to sign him, I'd like to give Harrison Barnes a near max contract and then trade for Ibaka.

I'm sure OKC would deal with us if they lost out on Durant... especially if we gave up Ariza/other assets for Ibaka.

 

We aren't trading for anyone, we have no trade assets.

 

Our #1 priority this offseason should be a legit coach. A real coach that holds players accountable. Until we do that, we should not invest in any max (unless it's KD or Lebron) type a player.

 

Anyone else think Batum is better than Barnes?

 

If we can't get Durant/Horford/Conley, I'd like to see us go after Batum with a max contract and Eric Gordon for ~$8 million.

 

The "Whiteside's not a good defender" argument is in the past. He has improved a lot as a defender. He's been a very good defender, and he also gets the blocks and rebounds. His FT% is shooting up - at 64% which is too high for a hacking strategy.

3.7 blocks in 28 minutes is nothing to scoff at. Being a good shotblocker doesn't mean you're a good defender, but erasing almost 8 points in 28 minutes is better than many defenders are able to achieve.

He's also 26 years old and athletic. A Whiteside/Capela duo would be crazy good and you have an option when one has an off night.

Now his court vision should be much better, he plays with a lot of good scorers and should be getting more than 0.4 assists and less than 2 TO's.

However I side with the crowd that says I don't trust him to continue this production after signing a MAX contract unless it's with the right team. We're not one of those teams that can keep him motivated with these people in charge. I think a vet like Horford requires less maintenance and that's probably best for us.

 

Pretty much this. Miami is definitely better with Whiteside on defense now.

I watch this guys snapchat sometimes and he isn't really a knucklehead like everyone says. He's grown up a lot. He is often on DJ Khaled's snapchat too who I'm sure has been a great influence on him.

He's not leaving Miami though if the money is the same, and with the way he's been playing the last two months 17/13/3 they aren't going to let him go. He's playing big minutes without Bosh and Miami is winning in the process.

He's better than Dwight right now on defense and offense... and the guy is just 26 and developing a mid-range jumper. Watch him extend his range like Bosh in a couple years.

 

Well if Dwight is open to a move back to Orlando, that means they have excess at the 5. I'd take Vucevic on his current contract of around 12 mill per year.

 

Here is an article with lots of good quotes from Wade, seems genuine.

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